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 Post subject: Property Tax Protest
PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 3:13 pm 
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The city of Gary has the highest property tax in the Nation who's fault is it there is plenty of blame to go around and you can't place the blame on just one person this problem was not created over night.






There are several solutions at hand that will not cripple cities growth and rebirth.



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http://www.indianataxmiasma.us/MCCPress%20Kit.pdf

Read what is happening to the people of lake county.

http://www.indianataxmiasma.us/MCCPress%20Kit.pdf



One solution is to redistribute Indiana lottery proceeds to lower property taxes across the board (renters included) and aggressively go after illegal video gambling.

How the proceeds are redistributed is another discussion but the build Indiana fund is a total waste.


The fund money is being squandered.

Do you think this money can be put to better use by offseting property taxes?

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Category 1989 - 2003
Build Indiana Fund Local Projects $23,457,960
City and Town Police and Fire Pensions $28,249,866
Excise Tax Reduction $50,869,687
Indiana Technology Fund $6,598,395
Local Road and Street Account Distribution $3,621,519
Supplemental Tuition Support $29,080,529
Total $141,877,955

This is money that we get from the Hoosier Lottery in lake county.

Property taxes can be lowered by cutting the fat in all of these projects and lowering property taxes with the savings


http://www.indgop.org/editorials/displa ... tID=25&h=2

http://www.indystar.com/library/factfil ... _0701.html

http://www.lplp.org/PR28Jun01.html

http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S= ... v=DqSH9duR

http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/faith21.htm

http://www.lp.org/lpnews/0110/indiana.html

http://scott.sstibbs.com/opinion/column_34.html

http://www.indystar.com/library/factfil ... ation.html

http://www.laporterepublicans.com/kernan_legacy.htm

Supplemental tution support needs to be looked at this money is used only for a chosen few there are other ways of getting a education.

Like working your way throught college.


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 Post subject: Squander
PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 3:22 pm 
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200 Lake African American Achievers Youth Corp, Inc. Bldg (Gary) 100,000
201 Lake African American Achievers Youth Corp. Bldg/equip 50,000
202 Lake Boys & Girls Club of Hammond capital expenses 50,000
203 Lake Brothers Keeper building (Gary) 100,000
204 Lake Cedar Lake Enhancement, Lake Co 300,000
205 Lake City of Hammond Downtown Renewal, Lake County 100,000
206 Lake City of Lake Station - Fire Department Pumper 150,000
207 Lake Downtown Highland Redevelopment 100,000
208 Lake East Chicago Fire Department equipment 50,000
209 Lake East Chicago Fire Department equipment 50,000
210 Lake East Chicago Police Department equipment 50,000
211 Lake East Chicago Police Department equipment 50,000
212 Lake Former Lake Co. Courthouse exterior renovation 215,000
213 Lake Gary infrastructure 100,000
214 Lake Green Acres Drinking Water Project 300,000
215 Lake Griffith Public Works facility 100,000
216 Lake Hammond Police Dept. Gang Prevention/Drug Awareness capital 100,000
217 Lake Hammond Public Library tech. & automation expenses 75,000
218 Lake Hobart Sewer Project 50,000
219 Lake Independence Hill Conservancy District 174,000
220 Lake Merrillville - Drainage 200,000
221 Lake National Civil Rights Museum & Hall of Fame 50,000
222 Lake National Civil Rights Museum and Hall of Fame 300,000
223 Lake New Chicago Fire Department 50,000
224 Lake New Chicago Infrastructure 100,000
225 Lake Ophelia Steen Community Center 100,000
226 Lake Schererville Town Hall 100,000
227 Lake Schererville Wilhelm Street development 40,000
228 Lake Schererville Wilhem Street development North sidewalks 60,000
229 Lake School City of Hammond technology modernization 75,000
230 Lake YWCA building fund (Gary) 100,000

What did you say? What I can't hear you! Where is the rest of the money?


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 Post subject: Squander
PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 3:30 pm 
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Nearly $450,000 in state money went to a shelter for women in East
Chicago that was supposed to spread "hope to the hopeless."


It doesn't exist.


Almost $100,000 from this same fund went straight to one lawmaker's post office box for an organization he runs. Other money brought new business to another lawmaker's company.


At least $40 million from the Build Indiana Fund went to proj ects that violate the law, The Indianapolis Star found after reviewing records from the 1997 and 1999 budget years.


This fund, created from gambling revenues in 1989, is all checks and no balances. It was designed to pay for local government projects -- such as town halls, firetrucks and sewers -- and lawmakers have distributed more than $240 million. They just allotted $78 million more for Build Indiana projects in the two-year budget approved in April.


Lawmakers hand out Build Indiana money to whomever they want -- and no one is monitoring how this money is spent.


Not the legislators, who crafted the law. Not the governor, whose office is supposed to approve these projects. And not the state auditor, who doesn't even have the authority to audit the millions going to nonprofit groups -- which are getting the money in violation of the law.


However, Democrats and Republicans alike defend the fund as a way to pay for much-needed local projects. Lawmakers get their own share of the total pool of money to spend, from $300,000 to $900,000.


House Speaker John Gregg, D-Sandborn, says the process works great.


Robert Garton, a Columbus Republican who is leader of the Senate, said, "If you step back, these projects are pretty doggone important to some local communities."


Rep. B. Patrick Bauer, the South Bend Democrat in charge of crafting the state's two-year budget, said a few questionable projects aren't any big deal.


"Anyone can nitpick anything," he said. "If there might be $1 million or so over the last 10 years that might be subject to some review, then that's a pretty small percentage."


The money is supposed to help hold down local property taxes by paying for bricks-and-mortar proj ects but instead is going to those like the nonexistent Baptist Women's Shelter in East Chicago or the American Legion post in Brook, which spent $1,200 on 16 new jackets.


"If you look deep enough, you'll find all sorts of crazy stuff," said Bill Styring of the Hudson Institute, a conservative think tank based in Indianapolis.


"I believe it," said Sen. Larry Borst, the Greenwood Republican who serves as Senate Finance chairman. "There is no oversight. It's up to the individual lawmaker. One of these days, someone is going to get in trouble." Sidebar: Following the Money
Build Indiana money went to projects that raised questions about how lawmakers are spending state dollars.


$445,000 -- Baptist Women's Shelter
Spent on: Unclear
Year: 2000
Lawmaker: Sen. Sam Smith, D-East Chicago
At issue: There is no Baptist Women's Shelter in East Chicago, even though a description of it accompanied the proposal to the State Budget Agency. These checks were mailed to different church addresses. Paster Lee Gilliam said the money was spent to buy and remodel a men's shelter.

$149,886 -- Etna/Troy Township Community Center
Spent on: Renovations to the community center
Years: 1998 and 1999
Lawmaker: Sen. Harold "Potch" Wheeler, R-Larwill
At issue: In giving money to the community center, Wheeler benefited financially. His construction firm, M.C. Wheeler and Sons, was paid at least $39,221 from the state fund for work done on the center, including water heaters and air conditioning.


$93,288 - African-American Achievers
Spent on: Repairs to a roof on a performing arts building.
Years: 1999, 2000 and 2001
Lawmaker: Rep. Vernon Smith, D-Gary
At issue: Smith is founder and president of the organization, a mentoring group for young men. The checks were sent to his own post office box. And Build Indiana money is supposed to be awarded only to government entities.



$70,000 - Town of Argos
Spent on: New police cars, radios, radar unit and stop sticks
Years: 1999 and 2000
Lawmaker: Rep. Gary Cook, D-Plymouth
At issue: Though the project is called "Town of Argos," the money really went to pay for new equipment and cars for the Argos Police Department, of which Cook is chief.



$50,000 - Cathedral High School
Spent on: Science lab renovations
Year: 2000
Lawmaker: Rep. Paul Mannweiler, R-Indianapolis
At issue: Cathedral High School is a parochial high school. This raises questions about whether state money given to the school violates the constitutional separation of church and state. Build Indiana money is supposed to be given out only to governmental entities and public universities and schools.


$2,150 - American Legion Post 364
Spent on: 16 new blue-and-gold button-up jackets for the post, 16 new embroidered emblems, a safe and the cost of shipping old rifles to an Alabama Army base.
Year: 2000
Lawmaker: Rep. Claire Leuck, D-Fowler
At issue: New jackets for the Legion members likely don't fall under approved expenses under the law, which requires money to be spent on capital projects.


$1,074,834 - Science Central
Spent on: Improvements to a science museum in Allen County
Years: 1996 and 1998-2001
Lawmaker: Rep. Gloria Goeglein, R-Fort Wayne
At issue: Build Indiana money also paid for a trip to Georgia with three nights' hotel and meals at The Town Tavern and Bennigan's.


$50,000 allocated - Indiana Museum of African American History
Spent on: To be determined
Year: Included in 2001 budget
Lawmaker: Rep. William Crawford, D-Indianapolis
At issue: There is no such museum yet. The name was reserved with the secretary of state's office but expired in March 2000.



$100,000 - Fish Lake Conservancy District
Spent on: Community building for Fish Lake area
Year: 2000
Lawmaker: Sen. Anita Bowser, D-Michigan City
At issue: Found in the State Budget Agency files was an e-mail from a member of the Senate Democratic caucus staff to Jo Harber, who received the money. The caucus staffer indicated Bowser planned to contact Harber about doing some campaign work.




$100,000allocated - National Civil Rights Museum
Spent on: To be determined
Year: Included in 2001 budget
Lawmaker: Rep. Charlie Brown, D-Gary
At issue: Lawmakers continue to allocate money for this museum, which has not progressed beyond the planning stages. In all, $550,000 has been allotted.



The one simple reporting requirement for nonprofits isn't even followed, as many nonprofit groups that receive Build Indiana money haven't turned in a two-page report of their revenue to the State Board of Accounts as required by law.


The Baptist Women's Shelter -- a project coordinated by Second Baptist Church of East Chicago and put in the budget by Sen. Sam Smith, D-East Chicago -- shows everything that's wrong with how the Build Indiana Fund works.


The money -- $445,000 -- went to a church group, not a government entity as specified in the law.


The women's shelter was never built, even though four checks for the Baptist Women's Shelter were sent out in January and March 2000. That violated the terms of the grant agreement, which requires recipients to use the money for an approved project.


The first check, for $300,000, was mailed to Second Baptist Church of East Chicago and endorsed by that church's pastor, Lee Gilliam. The three other checks -- totaling $145,000 -- went to Mount Hermon Baptist Church, where Smith is a member.


The organization never filed a report with the State Board of Accounts, as required by law.


Gilliam acknowledges that there is no women's shelter, saying the money was instead used for a men's shelter.


Smith, who secured the money in the 1999 budget, said he agreed with changing the project because he realized there was a greater need for a men's shelter in East Chicago. "If we uplift the men first, then we can reach the women. The man is the head. You've got to reach the head first."


But Gilliam has made contradictory statements about the location of the men's shelter and how the money was used. According to invoices that Gilliam turned in to the state, construction work on a shelter took place in 1999.


Gilliam initially told The Star that the money was used to buy and fix up a warehouse that formerly housed a soda pop distributor. When pressed for the exact location of the shelter, he gave the address of a house on a residential street near his church. But Lake County tax records show that house is owned by a couple not affiliated with the church.


Gilliam then acknowledged that the address was false, saying he didn't want the location to appear in the newspaper because he was concerned about gang activity.


Gilliam now says the Build Indiana money was used to buy a run-down office building and a two-story house where there now are a dozen beds for men who need help. He added that the office building will become a men's shelter once he and a neighborhood group obtain a $4 million federal grant to renovate the building, which has boarded windows, dead pigeons on the floor, and debris and old furniture strewn in the hallways.


The pastor declined to name the two federal agencies that are supposed to be awarding the grant, saying he feared he would jeopardize the project.




A woman who has run a men's shelter in Gary for 13 years said she knows of no center for homeless men in East Chicago.


And Mary Edwards of the Brother's Keeper shelter is in a position to know, because she works with other shelter operators in Lake County to meet the needs of the region's homeless. Men from East Chicago are routinely referred to Gary shelters like hers because of the lack of resources in East Chicago, she said.


Brother's Keeper, too, has gotten Build Indiana money, even though it is not a government agency. But the amount is small compared with the East Chicago shelter -- $77,793.


Edwards said her group spent the money to try to keep its 75-year-old building in repair and to refurbish a nearby building for their growing needs.


"I wish there was a Build Indiana Fund for operations, because we have so many needs here that we can use all the money we can get," she said.


Right now, they've had to move some of the beds because part of the roof is leaking. Because there's so little storage, every cranny of the shelter is packed with used clothing and shoes, boxed food and Ovaltine. The shelter can't have all the lights on at once because the circuits might blow.

Several Lake County lawmakers have allocated money for Brother's Keeper. Two of them -- Reps. Vernon Smith and Charlie Brown, Democrats from Gary -- serve on the shelter's board of directors.
Beneficiary: Mary Edwards works for the Brother's Keeper shelter in Gary, which has received more than $75,000 from the Build Indiana Fund even though it is not a government agency.


There is supposed to be a commission that reviews all proposals for Build Indiana money.


This commission -- composed of members representing the State Budget Agency, local communities and the legislature -- is supposed to meet, review the projects and issue recommendations to lawmakers.


The members, appointed by the governor and legislature, even are supposed to draft an annual report.


None of that is happening. The group held meetings only in 1990 and hasn't met since then.


"I found out I had been appointed to the commission, and I thought it was a new thing and a great idea. But I never heard another word," said Sen. Luke Kenley, R-Noblesville, who was appointed in 2000 from the Senate.


"We're starting to stray from the law. We're getting in a position that's not good -- this is still public money, and we need to have some standards."


Not all of Kenley's portion of the Build Indiana pie will go to government entities.


He allocated money in the 2001 budget for the Noblesville Boys & Girls Club and Conner Prairie.


Borst, the Senate Finance chairman, sent a letter to the governor urging him to appoint members to the commission so they could meet and review projects.


But Gov. Frank O'Bannon has never named anyone to the commission. In fact, the last appointments from the governor came from Evan Bayh in 1989.


Bauer isn't bothered that the commission has not met, because having such a review panel isn't practical or feasible.


He said that when the review committee first met in 1990, $1.5 billion worth of projects were requested and lawmakers had only $150 million to spend.


"We were disappointing nine out of 10 people," Bauer said. "It's an advisory group, and we don't have to take their advice."


With no commission to advise them, it's up to the lawmakers to decide how to allocate the money.


Sen. Harold "Potch" Wheeler, R-Larwill, said he uses his share -- $900,000 this year -- for things that are really needed in the community. "If they don't get these things, then they'll have to raise taxes."


In 1997, he allocated $150,000 to the Etna/Troy Township Community Center for renovations. But $39,000 of that money went to his own company, M.C. Wheeler and Sons, for water heaters, reworked piping and air conditioning.


"I had nothing to do with that. It just happened that way -- my company was the only one to bid on it," Wheeler said. "I don't feel a bit bad about it. I don't buy votes with my projects. I put the money where the people really need it."


Rep. Vernon Smith, a Democrat, said the need in his Gary district was for a mentoring group for young men called African-American Achievers.


He is founder and president of that organization, which got $93,288 in Build Indiana money -- and the checks were mailed to Smith's own post office box.


"Just because we happen to be volunteers in our community doesn't mean the organization should be penalized from receiving any money," said Smith, explaining that the money was spent for a roof on a building for the group.


Rep. Gary Cook, a Democrat from Plymouth who also is police chief for neighboring Argos, called his project "Town of Argos."


He used the money to buy new police cars, radios and equipment for his own department. He agrees with Smith -- that his Police Department shouldn't be disqualified because he's a lawmaker.


And Gregg, who gets more money than his fellow Democrats because he's speaker, gave a portion to his mom, who runs the Sandborn parks.


"My mother, she has cleaned toilets and planted trees. The park deserves the money," he said.


As the most powerful member of the House, Gregg got $720,000 to distribute, compared with the $500,000 of his colleagues.


"I would hope as speaker of the House that I would get a little extra," Gregg said. "I think my constituents expect that."


For every project that raises questions, there are ones where the money is being spent as the law intended.


The 54-home neighborhood in Fishersburg in Madison County needs sewers -- a million-dollar prospect. So Rep. Scott Mellinger, D-Pendleton, put $100,000 in the budget for that community.


"In a small village of 54 homes, the residents certainly don't have the ability to raise $1 million," said Paul Wilson, a Madison County commissioner. "For all the criticism, this is a clear example of how Build Indiana works."


Legislators are defensive -- and protective -- of their piggy bank. When O'Bannon proposed dipping into it to help with the state's budget woes earlier this year, lawmakers balked.


While lawmakers are quick to claim credit for a project in their districts, they resisted releasing a list of projects in the 2001 budget. Democrats and Republicans in the House had turned over their lists, but the two caucuses in the Senate still had not done so.


Despite this reluctance to own up to the projects, lawmakers want the publicity when it benefits them. They turn the Build Indiana fund into a campaign tool.


Among the projects touted are some that have gotten the state sued by the Indiana Civil Liberties Union.


Hundreds of thousands of dollars have gone to private schools, churches and other organizations with religious missions -- and that's unconstitutional, the ICLU said in its lawsuit filed in late May.


The lawsuit is why O'Bannon won't talk about the Build Indiana Fund, since he's one of the parties being sued. Neither will Attorney General Steve Carter, who is defending the state in the lawsuit.


Some of the money has gone to projects such as the Zion Community Development Corp., formerly the Zion Missionary Baptist Church Community Development Corp. It received $25,000 in 2000 to improve an outreach center for youth. That check was mailed to the church.


The Educational Charitable Trust received $80,000 for computers and other equipment at Cardinal Ritter High School. The trust's federal employer identification number, listed on the grant application, matches that of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Indianapolis.


What these and thousands of other projects have in common is that some local group was able to persuade a lawmaker to allocate Build Indiana money for them. And the only thing standing between them and the money is the bipartisan State Budget Committee, which oversees state spending.



Build Indiana Fund

Sidebar: With elections on the line, legislators pured state money into pet projects.

On Friday, the five-member committee met and approved a three-page list of projects. Among them are $25,000 for Destiny Gospel Artists Showcase, a nonprofit group in Marion County that introduces at-risk youths to the performing arts, and $160,000 for a ballpark in Selma, which already has received $380,000.


In all, members of the committee approved spending $3.7 million more in state money for Build Indiana projects.


And no one questioned a single project.

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 Post subject: Build Indiana Fund
PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 3:40 pm 
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Published June 24, 2001.




The Indiana General Assembly's "Build Indiana Fund" came under scrutiny in 2001 after an investigation by The Star found that millions of dollars were being spent in violation of the law.

Gov. Frank O'Bannon ordered a moratorium on expenditures from the fund June 28, 2001 and asked his budget director to recommend changes in how the fund is administered.

Financed by lottery and riverboat revenue, the Build Indiana Fund was created to keep local property taxes down by paying for capital projects in communities across the state. Each lawmaker gets a share of the annual outlay — ranging in 2001 from $300,000 to $900,000 — and decides how to distribute it in his or her district. By 2001, the fund had paid out $240 million over 12 years.

The 1989 law creating the fund included safeguards to ensure that the money went to government entities for local construction projects and equipment.

But The Star's investigation published June 24, 2001 found that state money was being sent to nonprofit organizations that are rarely audited, to projects that were never built and even to lawmakers’ own post office boxes.

O'Bannon lifted the moratorium on July 18 after putting new rules in place requiring all Build Indiana money to go through a government entity. The governor later reversed some of those restrictions.

On July 27, 2001 the budget committee met for the first time since troubles with the fund were reported. Committee members vigorously defended the program and disputed reports of problems with the fund.

The committee also approved another $3.7 million from the fund, after more thoroughly reviewing the 55 local projects up for consideration.

In September legislative budget leaders announced a suspension of most Build Indiana Fund projects, but said the state's worsening budget crisis-- not the controversy surrounding the fund -- prompted them to take the action. Despite that order spending from the fund continued almost unabated.

On Dec. 19 the budget committee approved spending $2.7 million on 51 capital projects deemed emergencies by lawmakers.

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 Post subject: Illegal video gambling solution to high property taxex
PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 3:58 pm 
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LOUISVILLE, Ky. — Illegal video gambling machines are widespread throughout Kentucky and Indiana, costing players hundreds of millions of dollars a year, according to a newspaper investigation.


Oregon legalized video gambling in 1991, placing it under the control of the state lottery. Last year it generated $528 million in revenue, money that goes to education and economic development, among other things.


Capt. Robin Poindexter, a spokesman for the Indiana Excise Police, said his agency provided a rough estimate for legislators on the number of machines: from 15,000 to 30,000 statewide.

A study by the Indiana Licensed Beverage Association, which is working to have video gambling legalized, estimated that Hoosier gamblers would spend nearly $1 billion annually if even half of the state's bars and restaurants had five of the devices.

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 Post subject: Illegal video gambling
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The excise police repeatedly cite Hoosier businesses and fraternal clubs for having illegal gambling devices, but they don't confiscate the machines. Twelve establishments in Southern Indiana, for example, have been cited four or more times — one club on seven occasions — since 1991.

The machines aren't confiscated, and the fines, ranging from $500 to $2,000, essentially are viewed as a cost of doing business by establishments.

Alex Huskey, the excise police superintendent, said state law doesn't authorize the confiscation of machines.

Instead, with 64 officers trying to oversee 10,000 alcohol retailers, the agency alerts county prosecutors to gambling devices in their community. Those authorities have the tools at hand to deal with illegal gambling but don't apply them, Huskey said.

"This is not a small problem. This is not a problem that goes away," he said. "(But) you want to focus on things that are more of a detriment."

Staff writers Lesley Stedman Weidenbener and Jason Riley contributed to this story.


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 Post subject: Video Gambling and taxes
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See raid nets 60 machines.

So what is that telling you lake county?

There is a push to legalize video gambling nation wide. Strike while the iron is hot now is the time to call your state reps and tell them what you would like to see done regarding this matter.

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