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 Post subject: Re: More Debt?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:32 pm 
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Ok let me put this in a more simple way for you tiger. If you do not have a garage on your property the City can not make you build one. Simple enough?


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 Post subject: Re: More Debt?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:06 pm 
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Doubtless the developer is just as shifty and shady as the NWI Democratic officials with whom he did business. Still, as big a mope as he might be, if Hammond weren't such a dirty, backward, crime-ridden basket case of a city don't you think some businesses might be enticed to buy some space in a mall....other than a single Subway that is? And what has gone up on the River Front apartment property? Last I heard some other developer was chomping at the bit to build Hammond's equivalent of Trump Tower there.

In true-blue union Hammond, why is it that you were only able to attract a Walmart?

Now that the Cabela's property is no longer a flood plain, can we expect College Bound graduation rates to skyrocket? Will all the new school buildings in the city start turning out students capable of anything other than government or hourly retail work?

The "anything is better than what was there before" approach to development in Da' Region is trite, tired, and has yet to pay any dividends. Ditto to the McDermott philosophy of "yeah, what would you do that would be any better" style of government.

I guess it is natural for those who depend on the city to keep the lights on and the refrigerator full to always view Da' Region through rose colored glasses.


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 Post subject: Re: More Debt?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:19 pm 
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Talking about not paying taxes and such,, Did you even see this.
THE===========IRS Put those 2 words together.


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 Post subject: Re: More Debt?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 7:43 pm 
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Ok let me put this in a more simple way for you tiger. If you do not have a garage on your property the City can not make you build one. Simple enough?



You used the analogy of painting your house. No, the city cannot make you build, but they sure can make you keep up your property. Woodmar is terrible, and the other related business properties are not exactly looking good either. If a residential property looked like that, the CE would be all over them like flies on crap.


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 Post subject: Re: More Debt?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:39 pm 
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So if a TIF in this area brings more developement wouldn't that be a good thing? Have you seen these parcels?

How much was this property paying in taxes before the Potash? lubu?


Ok Mikie, Tifs have a propensity to be exploited. How?

Well, Tif funds work at developing infrastructure with in the tif. It has been well documented in Chicago based Tif's contracts going to favored contractors, unchecked cost over runs.

Tom has a history of the same. The Woodmar Tif has had several questions from the State Auditors, Tom ignored answering.

And by the way if you look at the tape of the last Hammond City Council meeting, Opinker acts like a dick, maybe Opinker is a Dick, in either case such behavior by a President of the Council is unfathomable, unless your a suck puppet of McDermott, then it fits together.

Oinker owes his city job and position to McDermott. He owes his city council seat to McDermott.

I wonder if Mikie is washing Jr BVD's/

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 Post subject: Re: More Debt?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:40 pm 
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xmpt wrote:
The Mayor can't make Markopoulous develop his property anymore then he can make a resident paint there house. Cabelas just got out of the flood plain and anything on Kennedy ave. is better then the crime ridden apartments that were there. I would expect some news on that property soon the same for the Super Wal Mart that was built on a contaminated slag heap. I guess it is natural for some people to always see the dark side.


No the Mayor can't make Marklopoulous develop the property, but he can be smart enough (after all he is a lawyer isn't he? ) to put the proper language into the TIFF zones to make sure that we get the bang for the buck. The way the Mayor acts, you would think he was some country bumpkin elected official taken advantage of by those big city high faluttin business men. Instead you have him give not one, but 2 different TIFF zones to the fraud developer that Markopoulous is.

That is ineptness at it's core. A failure on his part. You can tow the party line for Der Furhrer all you want, but it's not going to change the fact that he gave him a lot of money with only promises and no guarantees.

The verdict is still out on the Cabela's property as to whether ANY development arrives, but it certainly isn't going to be the savior of Hammond as he promised.

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 Post subject: Re: More Debt?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:46 pm 
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justcallmetommy wrote:
xmpt wrote:
So if a TIF in this area brings more developement wouldn't that be a good thing? Have you seen these parcels?

How much was this property paying in taxes before the Potash? lubu?


Ok Mikie, Tifs have a propensity to be exploited. How?

Well, Tif funds work at developing infrastructure with in the tif. It has been well documented in Chicago based Tif's contracts going to favored contractors, unchecked cost over runs.

Tom has a history of the same. The Woodmar Tif has had several questions from the State Auditors, Tom ignored answering.

And by the way if you look at the tape of the last Hammond City Council meeting, Opinker acts like a dick, maybe Opinker is a Dick, in either case such behavior by a President of the Council is unfathomable, unless your a suck puppet of McDermott, then it fits together.

Oinker owes his city job and position to McDermott. He owes his city council seat to McDermott.

I wonder if Mikie is washing Jr BVD's/


Tommy,

Chicago TIF's fail mainly because their focus is too narrow. They are centered around one development instead of a broad neighborhood are area. Hammond has been guilty of this as well in many circumstances, and that spans the McDermott Sr and Dedelow administrations. Dedelow gave a TIF only to Unilever, and gave a TIF to Horseshoe for a parking garage only. McDermott has continued that as well in some circumstances.

TIF's have their place, but there are other options. Only Hammond (from all participants) only seem to run back to the TIF as a salvation.

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 Post subject: Re: More Debt?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:24 pm 
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2/3/2015 1:00:00 PM
Ball State study grades TIFs as ineffective as economic development tools

Greater Fort Wayne Business Weekly

An analysis of tax increment financing districts in Indiana counties by Ball State’s Center for Business and Economic Research concluded that they are an ineffective development tool for Hoosier communities.

In fact, the CBER study found TIFs are associated with less employment, less taxable income and slightly higher tax rates; and noted the process needs more stringent oversight, Ball State said in an announcement Monday.

TIF districts were created by the Indiana General Assembly in the 1980s and are run by redevelopment commissions. They were designed to allow local governments to redevelop distressed areas by making infrastructure improvements, such as new roads and sewers. TIFs provide incentives to attract businesses or help existing companies expand without tapping general funds or raising taxes.

CBER examined TIF districts in Indiana from 2003-2012, evaluating their impact on capital growth, employment and tax rates in counties.

“Overall, TIFs are not an effective economic development tool,” said CBER director Michael Hicks, who co-authored the study with Dagney Faulk, CBER’s research director, and Pam Quirin, a CBER graduate assistant. “In fact, we found that in the average county, creation of a TIF district led to fewer jobs in manufacturing and retailing as well as a slight drop in the number of businesses.

“This may happen because when businesses start up operations or move into the TIF districts, it shifts the number of jobs while others in the region suffer the job killing effects of higher tax rates,” Hicks said in the BSU announcement. “TIF districts also have no discernible statistical impact on sales taxes in counties. This may be because retail activity simply shifts from non-TIF districts to TIF areas.”

Local governments appear to be shifting the tax burden from TIF to non-TIF taxpayers to maintain constant levels of public service, Faulk said.

“While we cannot conclusively report that TIFs are the cause of higher tax rates on existing taxpayers, that is a very likely effect,” she said.

Other than increasing the assessed value of property within the districts, TIFs have little impact on economic development, Hicks said.

The report found the state’s aggregate net assessed value in TIFs increased from about $10 billion in 2003 to about $19 billion in 2012. Researchers also discovered counties are accumulating debt to manage such projects. Indiana’s TIF districts had about 20 percent of the state’s $12 billion outstanding debt in 2013.

©Copyright 2015 KPC Media Group, Inc.



If I remember correctly didn't Dave Hamm in a post here say TIF are a economic wind fall for communities.

They do absolutely nothing but increase the tax burden on the balance of the citizens in a community.

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