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 Post subject: Krieg pretends he doesn't write "Blue County in a Red State"
PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:51 pm 
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Eric Krieg has been trying to distance himself from the blog he writes, Blue County in a Red State.He has started writing about himself in the third person, like that will protect him from a libel suit. He actually seems to relish the thought of being sued. He has some Perry Mason fantasy of "deposing" Mayor McDermott on the witness stand personally. I have news for Eric "Buzzcut" Krieg, he is going to be the only one who is grilled on the witness stand. Grab your popcorn, it will be lots of fun!

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Another empty threat from the over weight wire twister.

Yawn!

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The Welfare-Dependent Wire Twister has been huffing and puffing about lawsuits since the day he logged into these various chat areas. Top-notch attorneys, files of posts which bruise his ego, and shameless ass-kissing of Democratic officials have gotten Sparks nothing but a patronage job.


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 Post subject: Re: Krieg pretends he doesn't write "Blue County in a Red State"
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Suing a person can open a can of worms for one and all. You are opened to "right of discovery". If by chance a person has somehing to hide, this could be allowed under oath. If they don't answer correctly, their fate is at the mercy of the court. They got Al Capone under these laws. He thought they were asking him about past crimes of murder etc. But they hit him with questions about his taxes and he lied. The goverment proved different and the doors opened to the slammer for him. They never convicted him of anything else. Those murder stories were not even mentioned.


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 Post subject: Re: Krieg pretends he doesn't write "Blue County in a Red State"
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Suing a person can open a can of worms for one and all. You are opened to "right of discovery". If by chance a person has somehing to hide, this could be allowed under oath. If they don't answer correctly, their fate is at the mercy of the court. They got Al Capone under these laws. He thought they were asking him about past crimes of murder etc. But they hit him with questions about his taxes and he lied. The goverment proved different and the doors opened to the slammer for him. They never convicted him of anything else. Those murder stories were not even mentioned.



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 Post subject: Re: Krieg pretends he doesn't write "Blue County in a Red State"
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Another empty threat from the over weight wire twister.

Yawn!

I never claimed that I was suing Buzzcut. However, it's pretty well known that reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.It looks like Buzz is finding out that a screen name offers no protection against a libel suit. All it takes is a subpoena to find out who wrote the posts.
Aaron M McDermott vs. Eric P Krieg
2013-09-25 Petition for Defamation filed in Crown Point clerk's office 9-25-13. Attorney: Westland, David W (18943-64)

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 Post subject: Re: Krieg pretends he doesn't write "Blue County in a Red State"
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sparks wrote:
Eric Krieg has been trying to distance himself from the blog he writes, Blue County in a Red State.He has started writing about himself in the third person, like that will protect him from a libel suit. He actually seems to relish the thought of being sued. He has some Perry Mason fantasy of "deposing" Mayor McDermott on the witness stand personally. I have news for Eric "Buzzcut" Krieg, he is going to be the only one who is grilled on the witness stand. Grab your popcorn, it will be lots of fun!

It looks like Buzz is finding out that a screen name offers no protection against a libel suit. All it takes is a subpoena to find out who wrote the posts.
Aaron M McDermott vs. Eric P Krieg
2013-09-25 Petition for Defamation filed in Crown Point clerk's office 9-25-13. Attorney: Westland, David W (18943-64)


All a subpoena will tell you is the technical origin of a post. Accounts are hacked, identities spoofed, and multiple people can share computer resources. Trying to decipher "who" is going to be a very expensive proposition. And for what? To stop a person from publishing public documents and relaying information from a source? Krieg wont even have to deny. His denfense could be an affidavit from his source. And again, the defendant can depose the plaintiff and others subpoenaed. Doesn't David Westland provide legal services by contract for an agency of Hammond City government? "I have news for Eric "Buzzcut" Krieg", LOL! You realize how that sounds from a person who is not party to the complaint? Of course you don't you unaware egoist. Oh, and choke on your popcorn, it will be lots of fun!


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 Post subject: Re: Krieg pretends he doesn't write "Blue County in a Red State"
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I can't wait for Krieg to tear up.


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 Post subject: Re: Krieg pretends he doesn't write "Blue County in a Red State"
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Buzzcut has been served !

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 Post subject: Re: Krieg pretends he doesn't write "Blue County in a Red State"
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Buzzcut has been served !

This from of University of Chicago grad?
Aren't you embarrassed for yourself? What is the message the image and tag conveys? Another misogynistic blurb? Who are you "defending"? From what are you defending them? Lies? Name one, oh lame one.


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 Post subject: Re: Krieg pretends he doesn't write "Blue County in a Red State"
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Jesus Sparks, can you be more child like?

Depositions, cut both ways and may be broad reaching in their content. I certainly would like to know much more about
Aaron's finances, including his business operations, much more detail on a 2013 case where Aaron is a Civil Defendant on a small claims case, and more detail on a 2010 Mortgage foreclosure, and more detail on the not one, but two civil collection cases one in 2010 and 2012.

There must be some reason why a successful business person has such fiscal difficulties, that they are taken to court to settle debt? Does someone have some non productive habits?

And I certainly would like to know much more about Aaron's Pardon, circumstances on the history of how he was busted, and who specifically ponied up $10,000?



What was the name of his company?


I wonder if his attorney might be removed, throwing in to the mix a conflict of interest?






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45D09-1304-SC-00997 AARON MCDERMOTT Sm. Claims - D9 Civil Defendant Closed

45D08-0409-IF-04905 traffic ticket (if payable online) AARON MCDERMOTT Traf Infract D08 Criminal / Traff Defendant 1977-12-25 Closed

45D09-0810-IF-10457 traffic ticket (if payable online) AARON MCDERMOTT Traf Infract D09 Criminal / Traff Defendant 1977-12-25 Closed

45D01-1001-MF-00007 AARON McDERMOTT Mortgage Foreclosure - H1 Civil Defendant Closed

45C01-1103-CT-00052 AARON McDERMOTT [color=#800000]Civil Tort - C1 Civil Defendant Open

45D04-1309-CT-00195 Aaron M McDermott Civil Tort - G4 Plaintiff Open[/color]

45D09-0708-SC-02604 AARON MCDERMOTT Sm. Claims - D9 Plaintiff Closed

45D11-1001-CC-00002 Aaron M Mcdermott Civil Collections D11 Civil Defendant Closed

45C01-1203-CC-00033 Add PDF report for this case to your shopping cart AARON M McDERMOTT Civil Collections C1 Civil Defendant Closed



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If you are considering filing an action for defamation, you may wish to consider the following:

High Cost - Defamation actions tend to be costly to pursue.

Low Recovery - Defamation actions rarely result in sizeable awards of damages, and it is not unusual for the cost of pursuing a defamation action to exceed the ultimate recovery.



"Defamation" is a catch-all term for any statement that hurts someone's reputation. Written defamation is called "libel," and spoken defamation is called "slander." Defamation is not a crime, but it is a "tort" (a civil wrong, rather than a criminal wrong). A person who has been defamed can sue the person who did the defaming.

Defamation law tries to balance competing interests: On the one hand, people should not ruin others' lives by telling lies about them; but on the other hand, people should be able to speak freely without fear of litigation over every insult, disagreement, or mistake. Political and social disagreement is important in a free society, and we obviously don't all share the same opinions or beliefs. For instance, political opponents often reach opposite conclusions from the same facts, and editorial cartoonists often exaggerate facts to make their point.
What the victim must prove to establish that defamation occurred

The law of defamation varies from state to state, but there are some generally accepted rules. If you believe you are have been "defamed," to prove it you usually have to show there's been a statement that is all of the following:

published
false
injurious
unprivileged

Let's look at each of these elements in detail.

1. First, the "statement" can be spoken, written, pictured, or even gestured. Because written statements last longer than spoken statements, most courts, juries, and insurance companies consider libel more harmful than slander.

2. "Published" means that a third party heard or saw the statement -- that is, someone other than the person who made the statement or the person the statement was about. "Published" doesn't necessarily mean that the statement was printed in a book -- it just needs to have been made public through television, radio, speeches, gossip, or even loud conversation. Of course, it could also have been written in magazines, books, newspapers, leaflets, or on picket signs.

3. A defamatory statement must be false -- otherwise it's not considered damaging. Even terribly mean or disparaging things are not defamatory if the shoe fits. Most opinions don't count as defamation because they can't be proved to be objectively false. For instance, when a reviewer says, "That was the worst book I've read all year," she's not defaming the author, because the statement can't be proven to be false.

4. The statement must be "injurious." Since the whole point of defamation law is to take care of injuries to reputation, those suing for defamation must show how their reputations were hurt by the false statement -- for example, the person lost work; was shunned by neighbors, friends, or family members; or was harassed by the press. Someone who already had a terrible reputation most likely won't collect much in a defamation suit.

5. Finally, to qualify as a defamatory statement, the offending statement must be "unprivileged." Under some circumstances, you cannot sue someone for defamation even if they make a statement that can be proved false. For example, witnesses who testify falsely in court or at a deposition can't be sued. (Although witnesses who testify to something they know is false could theoretically be prosecuted for perjury.) Lawmakers have decided that in these and other situations, which are considered "privileged," free speech is so important that the speakers should not be constrained by worries that they will be sued for defamation. Lawmakers themsleves also enjoy this privilege: They aren't liable for statements made in the legislative chamber or in official materials, even if they say or write things that would otherwise be defamatory.

Public officials and figures have a harder time proving defamation

The public has a right to criticize the people who govern them, so the least protection from defamation is given to public officials. When officials are accused of something that involves their behavior in office, they have to prove all of the above elements of defamation and they must also prove that the defendant acted with "actual malice." (For a definition of actual malice, see the "History of Defamation and the First Amendment, below.")

People who aren't elected but who are still public figures because they are influential or famous -- like movie stars -- also have to prove that defamatory statements were made with actual malice, in most cases.
History of Defamation and the First Amendment

In the landmark 1964 case of New York Times v. Sullivan, the U.S. Supreme Court held that certain defamatory statements were protected by the First Amendment. The case involved a newspaper article that said unflattering things about a public figure, a politician. The Court pointed to "a profound national commitment to the principle that debate on public issues should be uninhibited, robust, and wide-open." The Court acknowledged that in public discussions -- especially about public figures like politicians -- mistakes can be made. If those mistakes are "honestly made," the Court said, they should be protected from defamation actions. The court made a rule that public officials could sue for statements made about their public conduct only if the statements were made with "actual malice."

"Actual malice" means that the person who made the statement knew it wasn't true, or didn't care whether it was true or not and was reckless with the truth -- for example, when someone has doubts about the truth of a statement but does not bother to check further before publishing it.

Later cases have built upon the New York Times rule, so that now the law balances the rules of defamation law with the interests of the First Amendment. The result is that whether defamation is actionable depends on what was said, who it was about, and whether it was a subject of public interest and thus protected by the First Amendment.

Private people who are defamed have more protection than public figures -- freedom of speech isn't as important when the statements don't involve an issue of public interest. A private person who is defamed can prevail without having to prove that the defamer acted with actual malice.
Resources

Defamation law aims to strike a balance between allowing the distribution of information, ideas, and opinions, and protecting people from having lies told about them. It's a complicated area of law. If you have more questions, check your local law library or the Defamation Law Section of PersonalInjuryLawyer.com(part of the Nolo Network) for more about the First Amendment and freedom of speech, the rights and responsibilities of the press, invasion of privacy, hate speech, and Internet speech.

Finally, civil torts may involve a variety of other claims, such as nuisance, defamation, slander and libel, and invasions of privacy.by: Emily Doskow, Attorney



What Types of Lawsuits Involve Civil Tort Laws?

Civil tort claims may be classified into three basic categories: Intentional torts, negligence, and strict liability torts. Each of these is associated with different standards of proof, remedies, and defenses. The vast majority of tort claims are based on negligence.

An intentional tort occurs where the tortfeasor acts knowingly and willfully to injure the victim. Although there are many, many kinds of intentional torts, some of the most commonly filed ones include:

Assault
Battery
Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress (IIED)
Trespass
Conversion (similar to theft)

Negligence is a type of tort wherein the tortfeasor breaches a care of duty, resulting in harm or injury to the plaintiff. Some common tort claims that are based on a negligence theory include:

Slips and fall accidents
Medical Malpractice claims
Premises Liability

Strict Liability occurs where the tortfeasor becomes liable even if they did not act intentionally or breach a duty of care. Strict liability torts are common if the injury involved an unusually dangerous activity, such as those involving hazardous materials or wild animals.



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 Post subject: Re: Krieg pretends he doesn't write "Blue County in a Red State"
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Hmmmmm. Delinquent paying property taxes for what appears to be two years? Maybe it is because this is new construction? Yea, that's the ticket, because it was new construction! :smt002

45-16-22-155-010.000-042
Name / Address:
Aaron M McDermott
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FIRST INSTALLMENT (SPRING) SECOND INSTALLMENT (FALL)
Delinquent After Friday, May 10, 2013 Delinquent After Tuesday, November 12, 2013
Current Property Tax 2,204.28 Current Property Tax 2,204.28
Other Charges (See Table 4) 45.00 Other Charges (See Table 4) 0.00
Delinquent Tax 2,204.24 Delinquent Tax 0.00
Delinquent Penalty 445.35 Delinquent Penalty 0.00
LESS PREPAYMENTS -2,424.66 LESS PREPAYMENTS 0.00
Amount Due for SPRING 2,474.21 Amount Due for FALL 2,204.28

PREVIOUS YEAR TAX INFORMATION FOR 2011 PAY 2012 (*As of Nov 13, 2012 )
TAX DETAILS
Gross Assessed Value of Land 46,800
Gross Assessed Value of Improvements 243,800
Total Deduction Amount 133,960
Tax Rate 2.8144
Gross Tax Liability 4,408.48
Minus Total Credit Amount (State, Local and Circuit Breaker) 0.00
Net Tax 4,408.48

FIRST INSTALLMENT (SPRING) SECOND INSTALLMENT (FALL)
Property Tax Amount 2,204.24 Property Tax Amount 2,204.24
Other Charges 0.00 Other Charges 0.00
Delinquent Tax 4,080.16 Delinquent Tax 0.00
Delinquent Penalty 408.02 Delinquent Penalty 110.21
Amount Paid 6,692.42 Amount Paid 0.00
Balance Due At Year End* 0.00 Balance Due At Year End* 2,314.45

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XMPT wrote in Dermott Minions now stating No Sweet House? Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:04 am. Hammonite you might want to say a prayer to your God for freetime. She got back what she dished out.


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 Post subject: Re: Krieg pretends he doesn't write "Blue County in a Red State"
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Tommy, you cut and paste that advice from Wikipedia over and over. It didn't seem to help Eric Krieg one bit,did it? Are you hoping that it will discourage someone from taking you to court?

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 Post subject: Re: Krieg pretends he doesn't write "Blue County in a Red State"
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sparks wrote:
Tommy, you cut and paste that advice from Wikipedia over and over. It didn't seem to help Eric Krieg one bit,did it? Are you hoping that it will discourage someone from taking you to court?



Well Sparks, it is not from Wikipedia.

And anyone can sue anyone. And in fact Spicklefest, If someone should be in court, you appear to have an excellent track record at insulting and libeled several on this board.

The point in question, until Aaron initiated his action against Krieg, I would not have known about what appears to be Aaron's nagging financial problems. Many believe if not for Jr, Aaron would not even be a NWI player.

It will be interesting to see what develops, on this, as the definition reads:

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3. A defamatory statement must be false -- otherwise it's not considered damaging. Even terribly mean or disparaging things are not defamatory if the shoe fits. Most opinions don't count as defamation because they can't be proved to be objectively false. For instance, when a reviewer says, "That was the worst book I've read all year," she's not defaming the author, because the statement can't be proven to be false.

4. The statement must be "injurious." Since the whole point of defamation law is to take care of injuries to reputation, those suing for defamation must show how their reputations were hurt by the false statement -- for example, the person lost work; was shunned by neighbors, friends, or family members; or was harassed by the press. Someone who already had a terrible reputation most likely won't collect much in a defamation suit.


But many people make their decisions on using a business based upon fiscal responsibility, given the trust someone must have in a business owner, fiscal responsibility is a major part of using a vendor.

As to pot use, well we've had one President or is it two, along with a governor or two who have admitted use. It sure doesn't seem to have hurt them.

So I guess it appears, the trend is to blame someone else for their own ineptitude.

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sparks wrote:
Tommy, you cut and paste that advice from Wikipedia over and over. It didn't seem to help Eric Krieg one bit,did it? Are you hoping that it will discourage someone from taking you to court?
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Well Sparks, it is not from Wikipedia.
And anyone can sue anyone. And in fact Spicklefest, If someone should be in court, you appear to have an excellent track record at insulting and libeled several on this board. The point in question, until Aaron initiated his action against Krieg, I would not have known about what appears to be Aaron's nagging financial problems. Many believe if not for Jr, Aaron would not even be a NWI player. It will be interesting to see what develops, on this, as the definition reads:
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A defamatory statement must be false -- otherwise it's not considered damaging. Even terribly mean or disparaging things are not defamatory if the shoe fits. Most opinions don't count as defamation because they can't be proved to be objectively false. For instance, when a reviewer says, "That was the worst book I've read all year," she's not defaming the author, because the statement can't be proven to be false.
The statement must be "injurious." Since the whole point of defamation law is to take care of injuries to reputation, those suing for defamation must show how their reputations were hurt by the false statement -- for example, the person lost work; was shunned by neighbors, friends, or family members; or was harassed by the press. Someone who already had a terrible reputation most likely won't collect much in a defamation suit.
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But many people make their decisions on using a business based upon fiscal responsibility, given the trust someone must have in a business owner, fiscal responsibility is a major part of using a vendor. As to pot use, well we've had one President or is it two, along with a governor or two who have admitted use. It sure doesn't seem to have hurt them.So I guess it appears, the trend is to blame someone else for their own ineptitude.

One thing is certain pal, you really love playing an attorney on the internet. The facts are pretty simple though. if you make false statements that damage someone's reputation, that person has the right to sue for damages. I read the blog post Buzzcut wrote and it clearly stated that the plaintiff was a felon. Whether the suit is successful or not, it has left a mark on Buzzcut. First, it forced Buzzcut to STFU. Second, it cost Buzzcut money by forcing him to hire an attorney. In my book, Buzzcut was "tuned up" by someone who has more brains, power and money than he does.

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