Northwest Indiana Discussion

Northwest Indiana's Leading Discussion Forum
It is currently Sat Apr 27, 2024 8:23 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 8 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Hammond has Junk Bond Status
PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:52 am 
Offline
Senior Member

Joined: Thu May 01, 2008 8:25 pm
Posts: 5662
Hammond's Mayor Thomas McDermott Jr does it again.... instead of reducing debt, reducing spending and establishing a fiscal reserve, Tom goes out and refinances bond debt.

Now some may say this is a prudent move, but Hammond's fiscal rating has crossed over to junk bond status.

An Outstanding Accomplishment by McDermott. Hammond needs to pay more consultants, establish a 2nd legal clinic, and maybe give another $400,000 channeled thru a non performing non for profit to a friend of Tom's best friend's brother to build another couple of houses, or yet the special fiend who receives big bucks helping with insurance cost.

Or maybe Tom can find a second career working for the law firm he channels most of his business thru, if he will be able to maintain his law license.

Just amazing Tom....



Quote:

AN EXPLANATION OF "JUNK" BOND RATINGS

Bonds are generally classified into two groups - "investment grade" bonds and "junk" bonds. Investment grade bonds include those assigned to the top four quality categories by either Standard & Poor's (AAA, AA, A, BBB) or Moody's (Aaa, Aa, A, Baa).

The term "junk" is reserved for all bonds with Standard & Poor's ratings below BBB and/or Moody's ratings below Baa. Investment grade bonds are generally legal for purchase by banks; junk bonds are not.

The specific definitions assigned to junk bond ratings by the services help define the magnitude of the risk associated with them. Because Standard & Poor's definitions are somewhat more comprehensive, they are quoted here:

BB, B, CCC, CC, C: Debt rated BB, B, CCC, CC, and C is regarded, on balance, as predominantly speculative with respect to capacity to pay interest and repay principal in accordance with the terms of the obligation. BB indicates the lowest degree of speculation and C the highest degree of speculation. While such debt will likely have some quality and protective characteristics, these are outweighed by large uncertainties or major risk exposures to adverse conditions.

BB: Debt rated BB has less near-term vulnerability to default than other speculative issues. However, it faces major ongoing uncertainties or exposure to adverse business, financial, or economic conditions which could lead to inadequate capacity to meet timely interest and principal payments.

B: Debt rated B has a greater vulnerability to default but currently has the capacity to meet interest payments and principal repayments. Adverse business, financial, or economic conditions will likely impair capacity or willingness to pay interest and repay principal.

Because a B rating is the single most common rating found in a junk bond portfolio, Moody's definition of its B rating follows:

Bonds which are rated B generally lack characteristics of the desirable investment. Assurance of interest and principal payments or of maintenance of other terms of the contract over any long period of time may be small.

To resume with Standard & Poor's:

CCC: Debt rated CCC has a currently identifiable vulnerability to default, and is dependent upon favorable business, financial, and economic conditions to meet timely payment of interest and repayment of principal. In the event of adverse business, financial, or economic conditions, it is not likely to have the capacity to pay interest and repay principal.

D: Debt rated D is in payment default.




Quote:
Fading casino revenue has Indiana city selling debt
October 21, 2014
Bloomberg News
KEYWORDS casino / debt / hammond / water


After decades of declining population and shifting economic fortunes, the city of Hammond in northwest Indiana is betting that water from Lake Michigan will refresh its finances.

Hammond, about 30 miles southeast of Chicago on the lake’s southern shore, faces falling property-tax collections and fading revenue from a casino that opened in 1996. Caesars Entertainment Corp.’s Horseshoe Hammond casino, with almost 3,000 slot machines, became Hammond’s largest private employer as the region’s steel mills shut down and the population dwindled 29 percent from 1960, to about 79,000.

The city is banking on its ability to sell water to other towns at cheaper rates than Chicago offers. Officials plan to fill this year’s budget deficit by selling about $30 million of debt backed by water payments from nearby Chicago Heights, Illinois. While credit-rating service Standard & Poor’s cited the one-time fiscal fix when it cut the municipality to three steps above junk last month, Hammond sees water as the way to balance its books.

“This is a windfall for us,” said third-term Mayor Tom McDermott, who’s running for re-election next year. “Water is getting more expensive. Hammond is positioned very well in that case. Times may be tough right now, but the future is very bright.”

Lost luster

Water may cushion the blow as the city’s reliance on casinos means it’s again dealing with an industry that’s losing its luster.

Incorporated in 1884 and named after George Hammond, who started a slaughterhouse, Hammond developed into a rail and manufacturing hub, prospering as steel mills came to the area in the late 19th century, said Richard Lytle, a historian at the city library. As the steel business shrank, local manufacturing jobs plunged 90 percent from 1970 to 2010, said Micah Pollak, assistant economics professor at Indiana University Northwest in Gary.

Now the city projects that revenue from taxes and profit-sharing connected to Horseshoe Hammond will tally about $34.5 million this year, down from a 2009 peak of about $41.2 million, according to city Controller Heather Garay.

Mismatch challenge


Officials are also contending with a state-implemented property-tax cap that reduced city revenue by $9 million last year. The combination left the city with a $3.8 million hole in its 2014 budget as of Oct. 20, Garay said. S&P, in a Sept. 18 report, cut Hammond to BBB+.

“There’s a mismatch between revenues and expenditures,” said Steffanie Dyer, an S&P analyst in Chicago.


Horseshoe had 2,094 employees as of March, according to the city’s website. A hospital was the second-biggest employer.

About a fifth of residents live in poverty, and the median household income of $38,677 is 20 percent below the state average, Census data show.

The city’s take from gaming has ebbed as people gamble less while competition intensifies in the industry, said McDermott, the mayor.

Clennisteen Bush, a 62-year-old hospital clerk from Chicago, shows why. Five years ago, she’d come to the Hammond venue a couple times a month. These days, her visits are about half as frequent.

‘No payout’

“These machines, they take your money,” Bush said one evening this month, seated at a slot machine and occasionally pressing a button that sent the five columns of letters and pictures of wolves, eagles and other beasts whizzing on her screen. “I know it’s no payout for me.”

Gary Thompson, spokesman at Las Vegas-based Caesars, declined to comment on the Hammond business.

“The cash cow, the casino is drying up,” Councilman Homero Hinojosa, who’s running against McDermott, said.

Monetizing water revenue through the city’s first sale of water bonds is going to clean up Hammond’s finances, McDermott said. Taxpayers don’t need to worry about the debt because it’s backed by water payments, he said.

Hammond is taking advantage of water rates that are lower than Chicago’s, McDermott said, after that city raised water and sewer rates for its residents starting in 2012.

Water rights

Hammond’s customers include five localities in Indiana and seven in Illinois, including Chicago Heights, according to the water department’s website.

Its waterworks is one of three public facilities, along with East Chicago and the Indiana-American Water Co., that are allowed to draw water directly from Lake Michigan, said Mark Basch, head of water rights and use at Indiana’s Department of Natural Resources.

Selling water won’t solve Hammond’s woes, said Michael Hicks, an economist at Ball State University in Muncie.

“Water is not a long-term solution,” he said. “[Hammond] has so many other problems -- performance of schools, quality of neighborhoods and other things, which after five decades of neglect do not tell a very attractive story.”

The proposed bonds would be backed by money from a 20-year contract with Chicago Heights, which buys on average about 2.7 billion gallons of water a year from Hammond, said Edward Krusa, chief executive operator of the Hammond Water Works Department.

The city is working on a private placement and looking to close the deal Dec. 16, Garay said.

Chicago Heights’s accord with Hammond Water Works almost quadrupled its rate to $2.20 per thousand gallons, and went into effect in January 2013, Krusa said. The previous contract was for 30 years.

Net revenue from the deal is about $5.6 million a year, with about $1.2 million going to the water department and about $4.4 million to the city, Krusa said.

“Water is our most valuable asset,” said Dave Ryan, executive director of Lakeshore Chamber of Commerce in Hammond. “It’s nice to have gaming dollars, but they’re not something that can be counted forever.”

_________________
XMPT wrote in Dermott Minions now stating No Sweet House? Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:04 am. Hammonite you might want to say a prayer to your God for freetime. She got back what she dished out.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Hammond has Junk Bond Status
PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 10:41 am 
Offline
Senior Member
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:20 pm
Posts: 3039
Location: Hammond
justcallmetommy wrote:
Hammond's Mayor Thomas McDermott Jr does it again.... instead of reducing debt, reducing spending and establishing a fiscal reserve, Tom goes out and refinances bond debt.

Now some may say this is a prudent move, but Hammond's fiscal rating has crossed over to junk bond status.

An Outstanding Accomplishment by McDermott. Hammond needs to pay more consultants, establish a 2nd legal clinic, and maybe give another $400,000 channeled thru a non performing non for profit to a friend of Tom's best friend's brother to build another couple of houses, or yet the special fiend who receives big bucks helping with insurance cost.

Or maybe Tom can find a second career working for the law firm he channels most of his business thru, if he will be able to maintain his law license.

Just amazing Tom....



Quote:

AN EXPLANATION OF "JUNK" BOND RATINGS

Bonds are generally classified into two groups - "investment grade" bonds and "junk" bonds. Investment grade bonds include those assigned to the top four quality categories by either Standard & Poor's (AAA, AA, A, BBB) or Moody's (Aaa, Aa, A, Baa).

The term "junk" is reserved for all bonds with Standard & Poor's ratings below BBB and/or Moody's ratings below Baa. Investment grade bonds are generally legal for purchase by banks; junk bonds are not.

The specific definitions assigned to junk bond ratings by the services help define the magnitude of the risk associated with them. Because Standard & Poor's definitions are somewhat more comprehensive, they are quoted here:

BB, B, CCC, CC, C: Debt rated BB, B, CCC, CC, and C is regarded, on balance, as predominantly speculative with respect to capacity to pay interest and repay principal in accordance with the terms of the obligation. BB indicates the lowest degree of speculation and C the highest degree of speculation. While such debt will likely have some quality and protective characteristics, these are outweighed by large uncertainties or major risk exposures to adverse conditions.

BB: Debt rated BB has less near-term vulnerability to default than other speculative issues. However, it faces major ongoing uncertainties or exposure to adverse business, financial, or economic conditions which could lead to inadequate capacity to meet timely interest and principal payments.

B: Debt rated B has a greater vulnerability to default but currently has the capacity to meet interest payments and principal repayments. Adverse business, financial, or economic conditions will likely impair capacity or willingness to pay interest and repay principal.

Because a B rating is the single most common rating found in a junk bond portfolio, Moody's definition of its B rating follows:

Bonds which are rated B generally lack characteristics of the desirable investment. Assurance of interest and principal payments or of maintenance of other terms of the contract over any long period of time may be small.

To resume with Standard & Poor's:

CCC: Debt rated CCC has a currently identifiable vulnerability to default, and is dependent upon favorable business, financial, and economic conditions to meet timely payment of interest and repayment of principal. In the event of adverse business, financial, or economic conditions, it is not likely to have the capacity to pay interest and repay principal.

D: Debt rated D is in payment default.




Quote:
Fading casino revenue has Indiana city selling debt
October 21, 2014
Bloomberg News
KEYWORDS casino / debt / hammond / water


After decades of declining population and shifting economic fortunes, the city of Hammond in northwest Indiana is betting that water from Lake Michigan will refresh its finances.

Hammond, about 30 miles southeast of Chicago on the lake’s southern shore, faces falling property-tax collections and fading revenue from a casino that opened in 1996. Caesars Entertainment Corp.’s Horseshoe Hammond casino, with almost 3,000 slot machines, became Hammond’s largest private employer as the region’s steel mills shut down and the population dwindled 29 percent from 1960, to about 79,000.

The city is banking on its ability to sell water to other towns at cheaper rates than Chicago offers. Officials plan to fill this year’s budget deficit by selling about $30 million of debt backed by water payments from nearby Chicago Heights, Illinois. While credit-rating service Standard & Poor’s cited the one-time fiscal fix when it cut the municipality to three steps above junk last month, Hammond sees water as the way to balance its books.

“This is a windfall for us,” said third-term Mayor Tom McDermott, who’s running for re-election next year. “Water is getting more expensive. Hammond is positioned very well in that case. Times may be tough right now, but the future is very bright.”

Lost luster

Water may cushion the blow as the city’s reliance on casinos means it’s again dealing with an industry that’s losing its luster.

Incorporated in 1884 and named after George Hammond, who started a slaughterhouse, Hammond developed into a rail and manufacturing hub, prospering as steel mills came to the area in the late 19th century, said Richard Lytle, a historian at the city library. As the steel business shrank, local manufacturing jobs plunged 90 percent from 1970 to 2010, said Micah Pollak, assistant economics professor at Indiana University Northwest in Gary.

Now the city projects that revenue from taxes and profit-sharing connected to Horseshoe Hammond will tally about $34.5 million this year, down from a 2009 peak of about $41.2 million, according to city Controller Heather Garay.

Mismatch challenge


Officials are also contending with a state-implemented property-tax cap that reduced city revenue by $9 million last year. The combination left the city with a $3.8 million hole in its 2014 budget as of Oct. 20, Garay said. S&P, in a Sept. 18 report, cut Hammond to BBB+.

“There’s a mismatch between revenues and expenditures,” said Steffanie Dyer, an S&P analyst in Chicago.


Horseshoe had 2,094 employees as of March, according to the city’s website. A hospital was the second-biggest employer.

About a fifth of residents live in poverty, and the median household income of $38,677 is 20 percent below the state average, Census data show.

The city’s take from gaming has ebbed as people gamble less while competition intensifies in the industry, said McDermott, the mayor.

Clennisteen Bush, a 62-year-old hospital clerk from Chicago, shows why. Five years ago, she’d come to the Hammond venue a couple times a month. These days, her visits are about half as frequent.

‘No payout’

“These machines, they take your money,” Bush said one evening this month, seated at a slot machine and occasionally pressing a button that sent the five columns of letters and pictures of wolves, eagles and other beasts whizzing on her screen. “I know it’s no payout for me.”

Gary Thompson, spokesman at Las Vegas-based Caesars, declined to comment on the Hammond business.

“The cash cow, the casino is drying up,” Councilman Homero Hinojosa, who’s running against McDermott, said.

Monetizing water revenue through the city’s first sale of water bonds is going to clean up Hammond’s finances, McDermott said. Taxpayers don’t need to worry about the debt because it’s backed by water payments, he said.

Hammond is taking advantage of water rates that are lower than Chicago’s, McDermott said, after that city raised water and sewer rates for its residents starting in 2012.

Water rights

Hammond’s customers include five localities in Indiana and seven in Illinois, including Chicago Heights, according to the water department’s website.

Its waterworks is one of three public facilities, along with East Chicago and the Indiana-American Water Co., that are allowed to draw water directly from Lake Michigan, said Mark Basch, head of water rights and use at Indiana’s Department of Natural Resources.

Selling water won’t solve Hammond’s woes, said Michael Hicks, an economist at Ball State University in Muncie.

“Water is not a long-term solution,” he said. “[Hammond] has so many other problems -- performance of schools, quality of neighborhoods and other things, which after five decades of neglect do not tell a very attractive story.”

The proposed bonds would be backed by money from a 20-year contract with Chicago Heights, which buys on average about 2.7 billion gallons of water a year from Hammond, said Edward Krusa, chief executive operator of the Hammond Water Works Department.

The city is working on a private placement and looking to close the deal Dec. 16, Garay said.

Chicago Heights’s accord with Hammond Water Works almost quadrupled its rate to $2.20 per thousand gallons, and went into effect in January 2013, Krusa said. The previous contract was for 30 years.

Net revenue from the deal is about $5.6 million a year, with about $1.2 million going to the water department and about $4.4 million to the city, Krusa said.

“Water is our most valuable asset,” said Dave Ryan, executive director of Lakeshore Chamber of Commerce in Hammond. “It’s nice to have gaming dollars, but they’re not something that can be counted forever.”


When the boat leaves, that will be the final nail in the coffin for Hammond.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Hammond has Junk Bond Status
PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 11:12 pm 
Offline
Senior Member

Joined: Thu May 01, 2008 8:25 pm
Posts: 5662
In 2006 Hammond had an AAA credit rating.... Currently the city has a junk bond rating, BBB


Quote:
From a 2006 State Board of Accounts Audit: http://www.in.gov/sboa/WebReports/B27587.pdf page 19-21
[color=#800000] lnvestment Custodial Credit Risk

The custodial credit risk for investments is the risk that, in the event of the failure of the counterparty
to a transaction, a government will not be able to recover the value of investment or collateral
securities that are in the possession of an outside party. The City does not have a formal
investment policy for custodial credit risk for investments. At December 31, 2006, the City held
investments with JPMorgan in the amount of $1 ,51 8,000 which are collateralized with securities
held by the pledging financial institution,

lnterest Rate Risk
lnterest rate risk is the risk that changes in interest rates will adversely affect the fair value of an
investment. The City must follow state statute and limit the stated final maturities of the investments
to no more than two years.

Credit Risk
Credit risk is the risk that an issuer or other counterparty to an investment will not fulfill its obligations.
The distribution of securities with credit ratings is summarized below.


2006 City's Investments Standard and Poor's Moody's
Rating Rating lnvestment Pools
AAA Aaa


$ 1 ,518,000





Quote:
Professor Michael Hicks an economist at Ball State University is quoted stating:
Selling water won’t solve Hammond’s woes, “Water is not a long-term solution,” he said. “[Hammond] has so many other problems -- performance of schools, quality of neighborhoods and other things, which after five decades of neglect do not tell a very attractive story.”




& whom has been mayor of this community for the last 12 years?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auIgL3jhUyE

_________________
XMPT wrote in Dermott Minions now stating No Sweet House? Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:04 am. Hammonite you might want to say a prayer to your God for freetime. She got back what she dished out.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Hammond has Junk Bond Status
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 8:03 am 
Offline
Senior Member

Joined: Thu May 01, 2008 8:25 pm
Posts: 5662
Quote:
http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/lake/despite-red-ink-criticism-hammond-defends-bond-sale/article_31c60fe8-f10b-5b56-9460-91fa1e75812a.html


Despite red ink criticism, Hammond defends bond sale

14 hours ago • Ed Bierschenk edwin.bierschenk@nwi.com, (219) 933-4195

HAMMOND | Despite some scathing criticism from a current and former city officials, Hammond administrators said they still hope to sell $36.2 million worth of bonds backed up by water revenue they anticipate receiving from their contract with Chicago Heights and end this budget year with a surplus.

Councilman Homero "Chico" Hinojosa, who voted against authorizing the bond issuance last year, took out an advertisement Tuesday stating the city's bonds did not sell "due to the city's poor, financial condition." Hinojosa, who is running against current Mayor Thomas McDermott Jr., was joined in the criticism of the proposed sale by former City Attorney William J. O'Connor.

Mark McLaughlin, McDermott's chief of staff, and City Controller Heather Garay said the bonds have not been sold yet because the city is doing a private placement rather than public offering of the bonds. McLaughlin and Garay now say they expect the sale to be completed within two weeks.

The bonds were initially rated as BB+ by Standard & Poor's Credit Rating Agency, a non-investment grade commonly known as junk bonds. In his advertisement, Hinojosa said they are called junk bonds "because the city's bond rating, the true measure of our financial standing, has hit rock bottom."

Standard & Poor's later withdrew its rating on the bonds at the city's request. Private placements do not usually need credit ratings.

According to Standard and Poor's, there are actually several grades below BB+, which is one ranking below investment grade. The lower the rating, the more interest the city is likely to have to pay on the bonds. The city's other long-term debt is rated BBB+.

McLaughlin anticipated the city will have to pay something above 4 percent on the bond issue, but believes the city will improve its bond rating over the next few years and then be able to reissue them at a better interest rate.

A Standard and Poor's report by analyst Kathryn A. Clayton on the bond issuance said the city has very weak budgetary performance, with a deficit of 17.8 percent for the general fund and 10.5 percent for the total government funds in 2013.

"Management has relied on gaming fund revenue and plans to issue bonds to fill the budget gaps, although it is our opinion that additional and significant budgetary adjustments will be needed to correct the structural imbalance. ... We are unsure when the imbalance will be cured," said the report.

On the other hand, the report noted the city is reviewing all aspects of its operations to find ways to balance the budget" and has "strong liquidity."

The city plans to pay off the proposed bond issuance with money it obtains through its contract with Chicago Heights to sell that city water. Casino revenue will be used to back that up and, if that falls short, the city could go to property tax revenue, although McLaughlin indicated that water revenue will be more than sufficient to pay off the bonds.

Hammond's contract to sell water to Chicago Heights does not mandate the city has to buy water from Hammond, which O'Connor noted Monday, but McLaughlin and McDermott have indicated they do not see Chicago Heights getting water cheaper elsewhere.

Still, Hinojosa opposed the city talking on more debt and said he sees bankruptcy for the city in the next year or two. He suggests university professors be invited in to study the city's finances.

Garay, though, said the influx of the $30 million will allow the city to pay off other debt and to allow it to have a surplus at the end of the year. She said the city is taking steps to help pare down expenses long term, such as combining departments.



Yea, when did I begin this original post.... junk bond status.... actually closer to fiscal insolvency.

McDermott took Hammond from AAA credit rating to spend, and spend and spend only to assure his friends and family so the average Hammond Blue Collar Guy, making $35,000 a year, can pay for his corrupt enterprize.

Jr's friggin lucky he still has a law license and he may not have that for much longer.

_________________
XMPT wrote in Dermott Minions now stating No Sweet House? Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:04 am. Hammonite you might want to say a prayer to your God for freetime. She got back what she dished out.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Hammond has Junk Bond Status
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 8:24 am 
Offline
Senior Member
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:20 pm
Posts: 3039
Location: Hammond
When they can't pay the bonds due, our property taxes will double. As it is right now, EVERYONE in Hammond will see an increase of about $60 just for the waste water shift to the property tax bills,and the dramatic increase in the charge. All this, while property values are bottoming out.
We are getting closer and closer to Gary every day. :(


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Hammond has Junk Bond Status
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:14 am 
Offline
Senior Member

Joined: Thu May 01, 2008 8:25 pm
Posts: 5662
So Standard & Poor were going to lower the Hammond Bond issue, but Jr didn't want mud on his face before the election... to late Tom.

So did Tom pull in a favor, see, Tom a few years ago put $17,000,000 of your tax dollar illegally into a bank, supposedly for a better interest rate. That was at a time where banks needed a cash infusion inorder to starve off Federal Reserve Bank action.... so Tom supposedly dumped $17,000,000 into a bank.

State Board of Accounts scolded tom and at the time the controller for putting funds, tax payer funds in an un insured account. If the bank defaulted, and mind you, Tom might say there was no risk, but there was.....

Now is Tom going to get back that favor by dumping this bond issuance, this sub standard bond issue into the same bank... a private buyer?

Things don't smell so good...... Tom...




339

_________________
XMPT wrote in Dermott Minions now stating No Sweet House? Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:04 am. Hammonite you might want to say a prayer to your God for freetime. She got back what she dished out.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Hammond has Junk Bond Status
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:58 am 
Offline
Senior Member

Joined: Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:19 am
Posts: 401
Why is Hammond selling the bonds? Why does Hammond need water revenue, that wont be earned until ten years from now, today? Why can't Hammond spend the water profits after we get them? No bonds, no bond counsel fee, no underwriting fee, no private placement commissions...What's the hurry to spend tomorrows money today? How is a "private placement" even legal? How do city taxpayers know that they will pay a market rate interest on the bonds if there is no auction of them? Even after the credit rating is withdrawn, buyers already know the shambles that are the city's finances. Why would S&P do anything that the city says? Did the city hire and pay them? Once they got the lousy rating, they told them to bury it? Just another in the Fifty Shades of Shady that outline this administration.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Hammond has Junk Bond Status
PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:26 am 
Offline
Senior Member

Joined: Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:58 pm
Posts: 762
Interesting topic in an election year.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 8 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 6 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 237 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group