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 Post subject: Give Black Males a Clean Slate?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:41 am 
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http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/lake ... 7e65e.html

Ok this article is not very good journalism (big surprise) because it leaves out way too many details. The way it sounds is that because black males commit so many crimes we should just wipe their slate clean so they can get a job and avoid the stigma of being a criminal.

Ridiculous!

Now if you want to do this for everyone under certain circumstances fine. Maybe for a non-violent non-felony after a certain period of time. But I get the feeling this project is more about giving black males a free pass for who knows what kind of crime. I've not seen the proposed legislation and the article is vague as to the high points. And to claim it saves the state money? The basis of that argument is there are good jobs out there to be had for anybody period and that only this previous life of crime is standing in their way. That's highly disputable. Most good jobs require a stable work history so do we say they were state employees or something to fill in the gaps in their resumes? :smt003

No good employer is going to locate in Gary, IN or anywhere in Lake County. But suppose that were not the case and jobs were plentiful. Aren't you penalizing all the people who lead a clean life and avoided trouble with the law? Aren't you putting employees and co-workers at risk? Would this proposed law allow teen gang bangers who commit murder to get their criminal histories wiped clean too? How about child molesters??

Summit endorses expunging blacks' criminal records

GARY | Black males have higher rates of incarceration and of repeat offenses that land them back in jail or prison, statistics show.

Changing that dynamic could begin with expunging their criminal records.

That was the consensus of a discussion Thursday sponsored by the Gary Commission on the Social Status of Black Males in conjunction with the East Chicago-based group Working Outside the Walls and an alliance of grassroot activists.

The panel discussion brought together activists, religious leaders, law enforcement officers and area legislators to talk about a possible Expungement Summit in Northwest Indiana. Expunging the criminal records of juveniles and adults would help them find jobs and turn their lives around, said Bennie Muhammed, GCSSBM executive director.

Dorothy Brown, clerk of the Cook County (Ill.) Circuit Court, outlined how she has organized expungement summits across the state line.

"It's important for all our communities because we all have the same problem," she said.

Brown recommended that all agencies working with ex-offenders help organize and participate in an expungement summit. That includes police departments, the courts, lawyers, the public defenders office and the prison review board, Brown said.

"This helps ex-offenders to see us all working together to give them a second chance," she said.

Some offenses, however, don't qualify for expungement, including first-degree murder, sexual offense of a minor and DUI, Brown said.

Current state finances may play a part in helping ex-offenders more quickly expunge their arrest and prison records to reduce the rate of recidivism, or relapse into criminal behavior, especially among black males, said Muhammed and state Rep. Vernon G. Smith, D-Gary.

There's less money for prisons, which will encourage legislators to consider helping ex-cons find employment, Muhammed said.

"In Indiana, the rate of recidivism has gone down to 30 percent" primarily because the state's budget is in a financial crisis, Smith said. "The state is now aggressive in reducing recidivism."

Smith said he has introduced expungement legislation before, but Republican legislators killed the bill. That may change now that Indiana is in a financial crisis, he said.

"The time is now. We have the financial need because we have to cut our budget," Smith said. "We have to create a mindset of giving people another chance. They want to castrate you for life."

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 Post subject: Re: Give Black Males a Clean Slate?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:01 am 
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I don't get it...how will expunging their records actually reduce the recidivism rate?

DUH!!!....NOW I GET IT.....this idiotic proposal reduces recidivism by making all these black males perpetual first time offenders...


Well,...armed with THAT kind of logic, we should eliminate recidivism completely in a matter of weeks!!!! Then we'll all feel safe to walk the streets again huh?

why didn't we think of this sooner?

Who votes for people like this dumb racist broad?

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 Post subject: Re: Give Black Males a Clean Slate?
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Why is it that everyone is afraid to say what the problem really is as it relates to crime and the black male? It's the culture stupid. Thats my opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: Give Black Males a Clean Slate?
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bigdog wrote:
Why is it that everyone is afraid to say what the problem really is as it relates to crime and the black male? It's the culture stupid. Thats my opinion.


Where have you been? Many of us have said it repeatedly. This culture you speak of has been manufactured by shake down artists like Jesse Jackson, both Sr & Jr. The entitlement mentality, playing the race card, blaming every problem in the black community on racism & mid 1800s slavery is all a for profit enterprise for a select few in addition to providing a core base of voters for the Democratic party.

Ok even if you were stupid enough to buy into that mindset there would be no justification with respect to the death of Gary, IN. The city leaders are black and the people literally ran off whites who had chosen not to flea. The only primary reason Gary is dead is because of black racism, pure and simple. Any other factors are merely contributory. The secondary reason of course being a sense of a lack of personal safety. When people felt that a trip to Gary had a high probability of getting you vandalized, robbed or worse the retail business community withered and for all practical purposes died. Even police cars on city property are not immune to vandalism. Remember that?

The day you could not even drive that short distance on 5th Ave to those malls just across the toll road from the Gary Airport and could not be sure you were even safe in the parking lot was the day Gary lost all hope.

Gary provides us a perfect example of why all this race card/ entitlement crap is just a bunch of horse pucky. The true problem is African American thinking rather than thinking like Americans of black descent; it is intentionally counter productive, as noted above.

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 Post subject: Re: Give Black Males a Clean Slate?
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Why should the cops waste there time throwing them in jail.? If they are caught breaking the law they should shoot to kill problem solved.

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