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 Post subject: Wind Power in Northwest Indiana
PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 5:37 am 
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I'm starting a new thread devoted to windpower. Building wind farms in NW Indiana has become a significant source of economic developement for Indiana.
http://www.post-trib.com/news/porter/1604151,portwind0603.article
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Parts for a large wind turbine farm in Northwest Indiana are making their way to their eventual home after being unloaded at the Port of Indiana-Burns Harbor.

The parts arrived Monday on the ship BBC Amazon, stationed out of Denmark, according to a Ports of Indiana news release.

Workers unloaded the 30 power generators and 30 turbine hubs, which weighed more than 2,000 tons, Monday and Tuesday. The parts are part of the first phase of the Meadow Lake Wind Farm, a 26,000-acre wind farm in Benton and White counties. The project is expected to have up to 600 turbines that could potentially provide power to 250,000 homes, according to the release.

Another shipment scheduled for later this month is supposed to bring 120-foot-long blades, which will connect into the turbine hubs. Houston-based Horizon Wind Energy owns the farm, along with 15 others in the country.

This wind farm will join another in Benton County, Fowler Ridge Wind Farm. It is owned by BP and started operating 222 wind turbines last year.

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 Post subject: Re: Wind Power in Northwest Indiana
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 Post subject: Re: Wind Power in Northwest Indiana
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There can definitely be a significant impact on adjoining property owners if wind farms are built close to them. However, in typical USMoron fashion, he lacks the intelligence to actually contribute any meaningful remarks of his own to the discussion. I have yet to read any criticism of the wind farms that are being built in NW Indiana because the communities they are being built in see them as a positive developement. They aren't close enough to affect the neighbors and the lease payments the farmers receive are helping the local economy with both income and jobs.

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 Post subject: Re: Wind Power in Northwest Indiana
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But wait....!!!!

There's more... :smt006


Life Under a Windplant - Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utFV2uk ... re=related

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 Post subject: Re: Wind Power in Northwest Indiana
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OK, troll, now that you have posted your two video clips that have nothing to do with NW Indiana's wind farms, why don't you scurry away?

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 Post subject: Re: Wind Power in Northwest Indiana
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There can definitely be a significant impact on adjoining property owners if wind farms are built close to them. However, in typical USMoron fashion, he lacks the intelligence to actually contribute any meaningful remarks of his own to the discussion. I have yet to read any criticism of the wind farms that are being built in NW Indiana because the communities they are being built in see them as a positive developement. They aren't close enough to affect the neighbors and the lease payments the farmers receive are helping the local economy with both income and jobs.

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OK, Sparkles, I still ask you:
IF these wind turbines are so great, why don't you have one in the backyard spinnin' the NIPSCo meter backward?

Do you think we can get an answer?


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 Post subject: Re: Wind Power in Northwest Indiana
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sparks wrote:
I'm starting a new thread devoted to windpower. Building wind farms in NW Indiana has become a significant source of economic developement for Indiana.
http://www.post-trib.com/news/porter/1604151,portwind0603.article
Post-Tribune wrote:
Parts for a large wind turbine farm in Northwest Indiana are making their way to their eventual home after being unloaded at the Port of Indiana-Burns Harbor.

The parts arrived Monday on the ship BBC Amazon, stationed out of Denmark, according to a Ports of Indiana news release.

Workers unloaded the 30 power generators and 30 turbine hubs, which weighed more than 2,000 tons, Monday and Tuesday. The parts are part of the first phase of the Meadow Lake Wind Farm, a 26,000-acre wind farm in Benton and White counties. The project is expected to have up to 600 turbines that could potentially provide power to 250,000 homes, according to the release.

Another shipment scheduled for later this month is supposed to bring 120-foot-long blades, which will connect into the turbine hubs. Houston-based Horizon Wind Energy owns the farm, along with 15 others in the country.

This wind farm will join another in Benton County, Fowler Ridge Wind Farm. It is owned by BP and started operating 222 wind turbines last year.


Ummmm Sparky old buddy .... Do you even realize that both of these counties aren't exactly NW Indiana. They are much closer to central Indiana. Where is the economic benefit to NW Indiana?

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 Post subject: Re: Wind Power in Northwest Indiana
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mattlap wrote:
sparks wrote:
I'm starting a new thread devoted to windpower. Building wind farms in NW Indiana has become a significant source of economic developement for Indiana.
http://www.post-trib.com/news/porter/1604151,portwind0603.article
Post-Tribune wrote:
Parts for a large wind turbine farm in Northwest Indiana are making their way to their eventual home after being unloaded at the Port of Indiana-Burns Harbor.

The parts arrived Monday on the ship BBC Amazon, stationed out of Denmark, according to a Ports of Indiana news release.

Workers unloaded the 30 power generators and 30 turbine hubs, which weighed more than 2,000 tons, Monday and Tuesday. The parts are part of the first phase of the Meadow Lake Wind Farm, a 26,000-acre wind farm in Benton and White counties. The project is expected to have up to 600 turbines that could potentially provide power to 250,000 homes, according to the release.

Another shipment scheduled for later this month is supposed to bring 120-foot-long blades, which will connect into the turbine hubs. Houston-based Horizon Wind Energy owns the farm, along with 15 others in the country.

This wind farm will join another in Benton County, Fowler Ridge Wind Farm. It is owned by BP and started operating 222 wind turbines last year.

Ummmm Sparky old buddy .... Do you even realize that both of these counties aren't exactly NW Indiana. They are much closer to central Indiana. Where is the economic benefit to NW Indiana?

Trade Winds Energy unveiled plans to build 200 wind turbines in Porter and LaPorte counties. In addition to boosting property tax revenues, the wind turbines generate revenues for the farmers who lease the land to the energy companies. Each turbine generates revenue of $10,000/year for the farmers. That money helps the local economy. Access to clean,cheap energy also creates economic developement. The countries that do the best job of generating power without destroying the environment will be the most successful economically in the 21st. century.

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 Post subject: Re: Wind Power in Northwest Indiana
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Let's axe the people who actually have to live near a wind plant..... :smt006

It's pretty clear who benifits and who doesn't.

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 Post subject: Re: Wind Power in Northwest Indiana
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OK, troll, now that you have posted three video clips that have nothing to do with NW Indiana's wind farms, why don't you scurry away?

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 Post subject: Re: Wind Power in Northwest Indiana
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Ah yes......windplants make pious little trolls feel good about themselves but what impact do they have on people and animals that live near them?

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 Post subject: Re: Wind Power in Northwest Indiana
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sparks wrote:
There can definitely be a significant impact on adjoining property owners if wind farms are built close to them. However, in typical USMoron fashion, he lacks the intelligence to actually contribute any meaningful remarks of his own to the discussion. I have yet to read any criticism of the wind farms that are being built in NW Indiana because the communities they are being built in see them as a positive developement. They aren't close enough to affect the neighbors and the lease payments the farmers receive are helping the local economy with both income and jobs.

Here ya go Sparkles...case closed?
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Hmmm....this is basically a small toy. Their math is OK, but it won't make a useful amount of power -- look at their own power curves printed on the site. Their claims about the disadvantages of 'normal' 3 bladed wind turbines don't add up either. Unfortunately, the facts are that wind turbines of *any* design perform very poorly when mounted on rooftops or below the trees (as shown on their website). Any wind turbine needs to fly at least 30 feet above anything within 300 feet, no matter what hype you hear--urban, rooftop wind turbines are like mounting solar panels in the shade. Solar panels are the way to go for urban areas, since most cities won't allow tall towers for wind turbines.

Average windspeeds in most locations range from 10-15 mph (4.47 to 6.71 m/s). The modal wind speed (the most common) at most locations, on a tall tower, is about 15 mph.
From their power curve:
http://www.loopwing.co.jp/images/00en/i ... pc1500.gif
, you can expect about 25 watts at 10 mph, and 75 watts at 15 mph. Ouch, that only runs a couple light bulbs! You'll get the rated output (438w at 2 m/s), at most sites that are 30 feet above anything within 300 feet, for fewer than 150 hours per year (ref: Paul Gipe, also NREL).

Just don't let anyone hype you into thinking a tiny wind turbine at rooftop level will make significant amounts of power--solar panels are MUCH better for that. In case anyone tries to scam you with their wind turbine output math, here's how to detect a scam:
Power available in moving air= 1/2 * air density (kg/m^3)* swept area (m^2)* wind velocity^3 (m/s)
then times coefficient of performance (cP) to get actual output.
They claim a cP of 0.43, far more than any other small wind turbine. I doubt it, but if you do the math, you'll see that such a tiny turbine won't help you much on your electric bills. The average US home in a good wind location would require a 23 ft diameter turbine flying 100 feet in the air to offset their power bill.

DAN FINK
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http://www.otherpower.com/

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 Post subject: Re: Wind Power in Northwest Indiana
PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 9:01 am 
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But wait....!!!!

There's more... :smt006


Life Under a Windplant - Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_utFV2uk ... re=related


For those interested in a closer, first-hand look..a trip to Benton County is interesting.
A drive south on Indiana 71 from US 24 takes you right through the heart of the project and brings you within a few hundred yards of one of these things. There are dozens of them all around you.


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 Post subject: Re: Wind Power in Northwest Indiana
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It's along highway 52 by Fowler.
Ya can't miss it on your way to Purdue

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On the flat, windswept farmlands of Benton County in Northwest Indiana, massive towers of steel and aluminum are sprouting from the ground like weeds. • Wind turbines are being shipped by the dozens on the backs of flatbed trucks to be assembled in fields of soybeans and corn. Transmission lines are being strung up to connect the towers to the regional grid and supply Midwest homes with clean, renewable energy. • By 2010, Benton will be home to BP Alternative and Dominion Generation’s 750-megawatt Fowler Ridge Wind Farm, a gargantuan energy project that will become one of the largest of its kind in North America.

But in an ironic twist, most of the power spun from the farm’s turbine fins will be shipped outside of the state and never consumed by Hoosiers. The wind power in Benton will be purchased by utilities like Charlotte-based Duke Energy, and sold to consumers in Ohio and Illinois, where renewable energy is the law...

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 Post subject: Re: Wind Power in Northwest Indiana
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But in an ironic twist, most of the power spun from the farm’s turbine fins will be shipped outside of the state and never consumed by Hoosiers. The wind power in Benton will be purchased by utilities like Charlotte-based Duke Energy, and sold to consumers in Ohio and Illinois, where renewable energy is the law...



Now that just cracks me up...!!!!!!!

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