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 Post subject: Cline Avenue Closure
PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:34 am 
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Between Gary & Chicago Avenue heard it over the scanner something t do with structural damage you think any stimulus money will be applied?

Maybe they should make it a toll road.

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 Post subject: Re: Cline Avenue Closure
PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:58 am 
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Between Gary & Chicago Avenue heard it over the scanner something t do with structural damage you think any stimulus money will be applied?

Maybe they should make it a toll road.


Nix on the tollroad! Don't give anyone any ideas!
Seriously, that is a huge deal.WJOB said the closure is between Calumet Avenue in Hammond and Michigan St. in East Chicago.
INDOT says public safety demands that "the bridge" be closed to all traffic immediately.
Bad news on a lot of levels. Glad we have WJOB for immediate news.

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 Post subject: Re: Cline Avenue Closure
PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:17 pm 
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OMG, that is the Cline Avenue extension. The part by Michigan and the ship canal was the part that fell and killed all those workers on April 15, 1982. It was substandard concrete that caused the collapse.
I wonder just how far they went with the substandard concrete.


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 Post subject: Re: Cline Avenue Closure
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Is that the Bridge that fell if so it should be built of steel or permanently closed!

The Traffic going through Hammond and east Chicago is going to be Murder and Zels will boom once again

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 Post subject: Re: Cline Avenue Closure
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Geronimo wrote:
Is that the Bridge that fell if so it should be built of steel or permanently closed!

The Traffic going through Hammond and east Chicago is going to be Murder and Zels will boom once again


Try a small chocolate shake with that beef. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Cline Avenue Closure
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 Post subject: Re: Cline Avenue Closure
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November 13, 2009

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The Indiana Department of Transportation (INDOT) announced today that Indiana 912 (Cline Avenue) is closed to all traffic effective immediately between U.S. 41 (Calumet Avenue) in Hammond and Michigan Avenue in East Chicago.

INDOT received the results of a detailed bridge inspection report performed by an INDOT consultant. In the interest of public safety INDOT has decided to close the bridge structure immediately to all traffic until INDOT staff and its consultants have further reviewed the report. INDOT anticipates an updated action plan by the end of Friday.

INDOT is working with Indiana State Police, local officials and businesses to help minimize the impact of the closure. Traffic will be detoured via posted signs. Westbound Cline Avenue traffic will be directed to take U.S. 12 (Columbus Drive) west to U.S. 12/20 (Indianapolis Boulevard) west to Calumet Avenue south. Eastbound traffic will be directed to take Calumet Avenue north to Indianapolis Boulevard east to Columbus Drive east back to Cline Avenue.

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 Post subject: Re: Cline Avenue Closure
PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:59 pm 
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OMG, that is the Cline Avenue extension. The part by Michigan and the ship canal was the part that fell and killed all those workers on April 15, 1982. It was substandard concrete that caused the collapse.
I wonder just how far they went with the substandard concrete.


The part that collapsed was actually part of the exit at Riley Road. I believe they deemed the cause to be an engineering error in the scaffolding that held up the area they were pouring concrete on. The rest fell after the collapse. So I don't think it was faulty concrete.

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 Post subject: Re: Cline Avenue Closure
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Just heard on WJOB Cline will be closed 6 weeks! The roads are noticeably clogged in North Hammond.
What a PIA this is going to be!

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 Post subject: Re: Cline Avenue Closure
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Matt, it collapsed just 1 section north of the ship canal. Then there was a section still standing, and then the other section that fell, and then the rest that was standing. If the section by the canal didn't hold, there would have been people and debris in the ship canal. It was horrible, but could have been much worse.

Yeah, I was there. I was the second unit to arrive on the scene after the second section collapsed.


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 Post subject: Re: Cline Avenue Closure
PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:08 am 
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Angie Fegaras, spokeswoman for the Indiana Department of Transportation, stopped short of calling the bridge unsafe, saying only that the decision to close Cline was made "as a precautionary safety measure for the motoring public."

The road closure between Calumet Avenue in Hammond and Michigan Avenue in East Chicago, specifically the segment over the Indiana Harbor Canal, will affect 35,000 motorists who take Cline, also known as Indiana 912, each day.

According to Fegaras, the report by URS Corp. found that parts of the bridge had corroded faster than expected due to a combination of the region's weather, industrial air pollution and the extensive use of road salt.

She said the report recommended that INDOT set lower weight limits for vehicles traveling on Cline.

INDOT is working with URS to continue its evaluation of the bridge structure. INDOT will come up with a plan of action for the bridge based on the results of the examination.

"Our first review of the report concerned us enough to err on the side of caution and close the bridge," Fegaras said.

Fegaras said URS will also work with state highway officials to determine a safe load or weight limit for the bridge. Indiana law sets the limit at 80,000 pounds.

Structural engineer Jerry Frost says the decision to shut down Cline Avenue indicates there was a potential for the bridge to fail.

"If you don't expect it to fail locally or catastrophically you'd keep it open," Frost said.

"But if you think the bridge is unsafe you close it," said Frost, who led a team that completed a detailed inspection and analysis of the 11.69-mile state road four years ago.

Frost, who now runs Frost Engineering in Granger, said his inspection team found significant corrosion of the steel strands that work with concrete to hold the bridge up.

"There were areas of the bridge where a few of the steel tendons were completely lost," said Frost, adding that each section has hundreds of tendons embedded in concrete.

Frost said that based on the inspection's findings, he recommended INDOT inspect the bridge every 12 months instead of every two years.

Significant corroding of the steel tendons might also prompt INDOT to lower the truck load weights. "That could have a big economic impact on businesses that move heavy loads, like steel companies," Frost said

But as of Friday, Katie Patterson, spokeswoman for ArcelorMittal steel located off of Cline, said the company did not foresee any business loss.

She said the East Chicago steel plant has advised employees of the alternate routes recommended by INDOT.

Casinos and their patrons were scrambling, as well.

"We were caught by surprise by the road closure," said Larry Buck, vice president and general manager of the Majestic Star Casinos in Gary's Buffington Harbor.

Two-thirds of the casinos' customers arrive by accessing Cline from Interstate 94.

"What we're most concerned about is the state getting detour signs up quickly," Buck said.

"Because if people from Chicago get frustrated they won't go to any of the three properties," Buck said referring to the Majestic Star casinos and two competing casinos -- Ameristar in East Chicago and the Horseshoe in Hammond.

Ameristar spokesman Reggie Dotson said the casino is working with state and local authorities to help minimize the impact of the closure.

Docked on Lake Michigan east of the Cline Avenue, Ameristar, said Dotson, will continue to work to ensure safe travel to and from the property for its employees and guests.

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 Post subject: Re: Cline Avenue Closure
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So, air pollution from the mills may be eating away the steel of Cline Avenue? Gee that's good news for all living things in the area. Now take a deep breath and think happy thoughts.

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 Post subject: Re: Cline Avenue Closure
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The Post has a good story today with the local detours for all the big businesses in the closed part of Cline:

http://www.post-trib.com/news/1883470,d ... 14.article

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 Post subject: Re: Cline Avenue Closure
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Cline Avenue Killed The Region Go Figure !

Watch the Region Come Back to Life !

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 Post subject: Re: Cline Avenue Closure
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If they only had a clue!

The money that left the region after the construction of Cline Avenue

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