Northwest Indiana Discussion

There's so much wrong with that statement. It's quite simple. You're either willing to work for the wages offered or you aren't. Oh and BTW FL is a right to work state. Funny how few union jobs even exist in FL.

Actually I know for a fact you are wrong on at least some of those claims. Aside from lumping together Federal jobs such as postal workers into the mix state workers have an optional union. I know this! And the union isn't even allowed to pitch to them until any probationary period has been completed. This was years ago, you know back when Indiana state workers had a union.

I won't argue whether all sub contractors on a Federal project in FL are required to be all union though I suspect that not to be the case. While police & fire in the few major cities might all be union that's certainly not the case in all cities or even all larger cities. But I do know that in Pinellas County there is a fire district next to St. Pete that is considered volunteer and you couldn't ask for a better dept from any incorporated city. It covers an area larger than Whiting and comparable to Hammond. It's called the Lealman Fire District. Great response times too! It used to serve more people but since the area is unincorporated other cities started stealing away territory. A lot of people have said after annexations they wanted their old fire dept back. BTW that area also has non union trash collectors and they charge about $168 a year billed right on your property tax and pick up twice a week like clockwork. They don't even require you to sort your own trash either. These mentioned seem happy enough with their jobs.

I will leave it to someone else if they want to argue for or against "workers know unions mean better pay,more benefits,safer conditions and more respect compared to working nonunion" because that's not even the point of this thread, as you mentioned yourself earlier. Certainly wouldn't help the illegal Paragon workers because most restaurants are non union.

So,if you teach at public schools in Florida, it's a union job. - paid for by taxpayers.

Police and fire in major cities, union. - paid for by taxpayers.

Working for any of the utilities in Florida,union. - regulated by gub'mint.

Mailmen,union - paid for by taxpayers.

Construction on any federal project,union. - paid for by taxpayers.

Shall I go on? - no,sparks,....we get the picture....

Yeah? From whom? Other organized union nosepickers? I know when I see an overweight, underachieving schmuck like Steve Fowler brown-nose is way up the political ladder, I respect him a lot more because he is a Teamster. Ditto for snakes like Dave Woepel and his tax dollar sucking family....the fact that he is non-thinking drone makes all the difference in the world.

Sparks,

I have planned and worked trade shows all over the country. Chicago is by FAR the most expensive city for trade labor in the country. Even New York City and San Francisco are substantially less. Las Vegas, Orlando and New Orleans are the cheapest. The labor rules in the other cities are also much more lax than they are in Chicago.

The cost for trade show space is about equal in most areas. Las Vegas has been aggressive in pricing because they have so much space to fill since the recession. It is also a loss leader to them for the hotel and casino industry.

Every year we get shaken down in Chicago for bribes in order to get our goods to our booth faster. In 20 years of trade shows in Vegas and NYC, I have yet to be asked for a pay off. Others tell me the same story. A few years ago a competitor tried to get his truck unloaded first. He left a $100 bill on the clipboard with the bill of lading. The clipboard was returned to him with the $100 bill in place.

We have been required to pay an electrician to stand around while we assembled electrical gear that the company I worked for manufactures. To watch, while electrical engineers with more than 20 years of experience put things together that they designed. All because it's labor rules from the Union.

Chicago is the most labor unfriendly city in the country for conventions ... and they have blown an industry that they used to be a major player in.

Not sure what hiring vets has to do with the statements at hand but I do have a bit of news. Late last night the Florida legislature tossed out teacher tenure and will tie raises to students' test performance. While not quite the same as going non-union it works for me!

so what?...wtf does that have to do with the topic?

here's another union bloated bureaucracy...

how will obama cover this?

No, just go...