happy jack wrote:
Politician's R Liars wrote:
happy jack wrote:
I never said that they were innocent – I merely said that they have yet to be proven guilty of anything.
Hmm...and that's not having your head up your azz. So which is it then, oh I get it..You need someone else to decide for you after a bullsh!t trial and fancy lawyer work to let you know in your own mind if they are guilty or innocent. I don't need anyone to tell me what I can see and read for myself. I am also not referring to what the FBI is saying, I'm referring to the FACTS and the website these freaks posted on their own behalf. So you go on with your "innocent until proven guilty bullsh!t" I hope that a killer never gets out of jail before his/her trial and murders someone you love.
And what you all have been suggesting is that these freaks are people who like to collect guns, should I quote you on those statements? What I wrote was, “they have yet to be proven guilty of anythingâ€. If you find something about that statement that is not factual, please enlighten me and the rest of the forum members.
.Precisely the point I have been trying to make.
Think about the story so far. People say that at least some of those accused don't seem like the type. An agent infiltrates the group and years later the grand plan is to call 911, kill whoever responds, then plant a bomb at the funeral? Little is actually a "fact" yet. If the case solely rests on the word of a single agent I think it's a thin case. Could it be the government arrested some less likely to be guilty in hopes they would testify for the prosecution on a plea or immunity?
As I said before so far it only looks like the family members were involved. But until we actually see some kind of evidence it's all just speculation. For all we know the idea for the alleged attack plans could have come from the government agent himself. Ever hear of criminal entrapment? That said if it was an agent's idea in an attempt to shut them down they probably should have told the guy to hit the road at that point but we still don't know the purported progression of events. It is not unheard of for cops to create a sting situation but I have serious problems when a sting involves pushing someone towards committing a criminal act, which may or it may not be the case here.
But this does have me wondering how many other organizations does the government infiltrate. We would like to think it's just bad guys but who really knows?
So show us on their website where they said let's kill anyone? I glanced over it the day the story broke and saw no such thing. And how can you "read about it" and draw a conclusion before the evidence has even been made public? Do you get tomorrow's newspapers today?
These guys may well be guilty as hell. I don't know and neither do you. If they are guilty then let's throw the book at them. But guilty until proven innocent isn't our criminal system, that's Russia.