The vultures are starting to circle.

Moby Grape · **Joined:** Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:19 pm **Posts:** 13802

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Why Obama should withdraw
Chicago Tribune, by Steve Chapman

When Ronald Reagan ran for re-election in 1984, his slogan was "Morning in America." For Barack Obama, it's more like midnight in a coal mine. The sputtering economy is about to stall out, unemployment is high, his jobs program may not pass, foreclosures are rampant and the poor guy can't even sneak a cigarette. His approval rating is at its lowest level ever. His party just lost two House elections â€” one in a district it had held for 88 consecutive years. He's staked his future on the jobs bill, which most Americans don't think would work. The vultures are starting to circle.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/poli ... 9308.story

Regionite · **Joined:** Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:06 am **Posts:** 698

I don't know why nobody believes this jobs bill would create new jobs. Of course it will! They will just be located in other countries.

Let's look at the nut of this so-called jobs bill. It depends on tax increases except those tax increases will actually cause there to be less revenue, not more. Take for example the increase to capital gains. Capital gains is a form of double taxation because you already paid taxes on the initial investment and if your stock trades lose money you can only write off about $3k. But while the Obama administration wants to invoke class warfare on these investments guess what? Think about it. Who really owns stocks? Retirees, corporate matching programs from your own company, & pension funds makes up a sizable percentage. So an increase in capital gains actually hurts not just the rich but the working stiff too. I'm a bit surprised the GOP hasn't been making that point. If you increase the tax rate people will buy less stocks outside of tax exempt plans and that lesser competition for equities will likely hurt the upward potential of those.

And while Obama wants to supposedly close loopholes many of those loopholes don't benefit just the rich like the interest on your home loan. I'd like to see the House instead propose Mr. Cain's 9-9-9 plan that puts everybody on a level playing field and eliminates all the loopholes.

Moby Grape · **Joined:** Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:19 pm **Posts:** 13802

Regionite wrote:

I don't know why nobody believes this jobs bill would create new jobs.

edge and sparks seem to believe it...maybe they can explain it.

Maybe we'll get lucky and those two will put on a display of that ''intelligent discussion'' sparks boasts of, and we'll all learn exactly how DUMBO intends to create jobs (this time).

I can't wait.

Regionite · **Joined:** Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:06 am **Posts:** 698

Remember the so-called stimulus spending? I heard that Solendra got more money than 35 states did for those said shovel ready projects and their executives are taking the 5th amendment about what they did. And have you heard about Lightscribe's plans that could cause more problems than any jobs could possibly be worth like rendering current GPS units worthless. Why is the administration wanting to force this through?

Moby Grape · **Joined:** Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:19 pm **Posts:** 13802

Regionite wrote:

Remember the so-called stimulus spending? I heard that Solendra got more money than 35 states did for those said shovel ready projects and their executives are taking the 5th amendment about what they did. And have you heard about Lightscribe's plans that could cause more problems than any jobs could possibly be worth like rendering current GPS units worthless. Why is the administration wanting to force this through?

We need some of that intelligent discussion in here...

wrote:

Next season they can run an episode showing Obama giving approval for the successful operation. Not that the voters will need reminders when they decide who to vote for in 2012. Four more years!

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=10305&p=131225&hilit=four#p131225

edge540 wrote:

What corruption in The White House ?

http://204.2.104.194/discussionforum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=10550&p=134554&hilit=texas#p134554

Moby Grape · **Joined:** Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:19 pm **Posts:** 13802

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Obama might pull out
The Hill [DC], by Dick Morris

As bad news piles up for the Democrats, I asked a top Democratic strategist if it were possible that President Obama might â€œpull a Lyndon Johnsonâ€ and soberly face the cameras, telling America that he has decided that the demands of partisan politics are interfering with his efforts to right our economy and that he has decided to withdraw to devote full time to our recovery. His answer: â€œYes. Itâ€™s possible. If things continue as they are and have not turned around by January, it is certainly possible.â€

Just looking at Michelle Obamaâ€™s unsmiling face during her husbandâ€™s recent speech to Congress triggered an insight: These folks arenâ€™t having fun anymore.

Obama, whose insistence on passing a healthcare law that the courts will probably throw out cost his party the House, will now cost his party the Senate too. Indeed, it is even possible that the Republicans win 60 seats.

http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/d ... t-pull-out

edge540 · **Joined:** Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:42 pm **Posts:** 7910

Dick The Toe Sucker Morris?

Ah yes, the Fox Noise genius who predicted that the 08 election was going to be between Condoleeza & Hillary.
great call:
http://www.amazon.com/Condi-vs-Hillary- ... 0060839139

It's kind of funny, how ODS destroys a person's ability to think.

Regionite · **Joined:** Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:06 am **Posts:** 698

Na short of impeachment I doubt he's dropping out because except for Hillary nobody else has a snowball's chance in hell of beating any Republican running with the possible exception of Paul because of some of his positions. But I am becoming irritated by Fox News constant coverage of the Presidential election and numerous polls that aren't worth a damn because we're still months away from the 1st actual primary.

So how you liking NYC?

edge540 · **Joined:** Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:42 pm **Posts:** 7910

NYC?

Me likes it very much
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011 ... ictory.php

Moby Grape · **Joined:** Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:19 pm **Posts:** 13802

edge540 wrote:

NYC?

Me likes it very much

welfare pay out more there than here?

liberal doosh bag state that caters to gangbangers, shysters and parasites.

You're probably going there because they let the gays marry each other right?

Who's your bride edge? The daffodil?

Regionite · **Joined:** Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:06 am **Posts:** 698

edge540 wrote:

NYC?

Me likes it very much
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011 ... ictory.php

So how was your breakfast with the President of Iran?

Oh BTW bringing up the May election just proves the point that I've been making about everybody is now fed up with Obama, even New Yorkers. Thanks for reiterating just how significant that 9th district win was.

Moby Grape · **Joined:** Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:19 pm **Posts:** 13802

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Washington Post poll points
to a one-term presidency
for Barack Obama
Telegraph, by Nile Gardiner
Todayâ€™s Washington Post/ABC News poll is the latest heavy blow to the White House, and perhaps the clearest indication yet that a majority of Americans believe that Barack Obama will be a one-term president. When asked who they think will win the presidential election next year, 55 per cent of respondents say â€œa Republican candidate,â€ as opposed to just 37 per cent who believe Obama will get a second term. At the same time, by a two to one margin, American voters â€œdefinitely will notâ€ vote for Obama (46 percent), as opposed to 22 per cent who â€œdefinitely will.â€

The Washington Post survey also shows the president plummeting to new lows in terms of public approval:

Obamaâ€™s approval rating â€” while not significantly different from a month ago â€” is at a new career low, his disapproval number at a new high. In all, 42 percent approve of the job he is doing, while 54 percent disapprove. Barely more than a third of independents give the president positive marks, as 60 percent now disapprove, a new high. For the first time, fewer than half of moderates approve of the way Obama is handling his job.

And highly significantly, according to The Post, even one in three Democrats now think Obama won't be in the Oval Office beyond 2012

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nileg ... ack-obama/

Moby Grape · **Joined:** Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:19 pm **Posts:** 13802

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The Administrationâ€™s Expanding Scandals
Commentary, by Peter Wehner

When a presidency is experiencing a political collapse, as is happening now, the last thing it needs is to face serious legal and ethical problems. But that is precisely where the Obama administration finds itself with both the Solyndra story and the so-called Fast and Furious program. Itâ€™s clear that at a minimum, the Obama administration has given a misleading account of both matters. When these stories finally unfold, two cabinet secretaries (Chu and Holder) may be forced to resign. Attorney General Holder, in fact, may have provided misleading statements to Congress about his knowledge of Fast and Furious. (The operation allowed firearms to be illegally purchased with the goal of tracking them to Mexican drug cartels, but the effort went out of control after agents lost track of many of the weapons, resulting in the deaths of scores of Mexicans as well as an American border patrol agent.)

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/ ... d-furious/

Moby Grape · **Joined:** Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:19 pm **Posts:** 13802

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Obama's bus tour a flat failure
American Thinker, by Rick Moran

The question is, when will reality set in for Obama?

Closing out his bus tour on a low-key note, President Obama made a pitch for his jobs package at a firehouse, where a subdued crowd needed a bit of prompting to applaud his proposal to boost the economy.

Anytime a crowd needs "prompting" to applaud what a president says - especially on friendly turf with presumably his core supporters in attendance - you might want to get out the butter and jam because you know the prez is toast.

Obama visited Fire Station 9 to draw attention to a major piece of his $447-billion jobs package. He wants to spread $35 billion among states and cities, in part to prevent layoffs of police and firefighters, and would pay for it with a surtax on millionaires. Congress may vote on that measure as early as this week.

On Wednesday afternoon, Obama stood at a lectern against a backdrop of firefighters and offered his prescription for solving the persistent jobs crisis: "A fair shot for everybody; a fair share from everybody. That's the principle that built America."

The president got a polite reception from the 100 or so people crowded into the station garage. Early in his speech he mentioned his American Jobs Act.

One or two people clapped.

"You can go ahead and clap," the president said. "Go ahead, nothing wrong with it."

What an embarrassment. .

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/201 ... ilure.html

Moby Grape · **Joined:** Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:19 pm **Posts:** 13802

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Experts begin to doubt Obamaâ€™s re-electability
Daily Caller, by Neil Munro

Whereâ€™s the evidence President Obama can win the 2012 election?

Whereâ€™s the evidence that swing voters even want to listen to him?

Barack Obama polls below 50 percent in every state that matters. The economy has stalled, unemployment is much higher than the official number of 9 percent, and Hispanics and African Americans are disappointed. The presidentâ€™s approval ratings have tanked, and the right-track/wrong-track number fell of the cliff in the summer.

Obama has reached the stage of political doom when votersâ€™ disappointment is so deep that they just donâ€™t want to listen to him, talk about him or watch him, said David Hill, a veteran GOP strategist and pollster, in an interview with The Daily Caller.

â€œNobody says it to their loved ones â€¦ [and] they donâ€™t want to do anything about it,â€ said Hill, who has worked for conservative and liberal Republicans on the East Coast, the West Coast and in the Midwest, since 1984.

A tipping point might have been reached in August, when the monthly jobs report showed zero new jobs,

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/28/exper ... z1cMvR5HyF

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