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 Post subject: NRA expresses CONDOLENCE for........
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At the conclusion of their annual meeting, the President of the NRA has expressed the organization's condolence over the shooting at VT. He expressed concerns on how the NRA will look to the public, because it was NRA who sponsor laws that have allowed easy ownership of all kinds of weapons, Glocks, AK-47s, etc. Well, to me it is the BLOOD GUILT that forced the NRA to expressed its condolences over the shootings. And they are partly to blame for that mess over there. Guilt! Blood Guilt!

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 Post subject: Re: NRA expresses CONDOLENCE for........
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any one that wouldn't express condolences for what happen have no heart.

but the NRA is NOT to blame for what has happened.

The young man was mentally ill. but no one bothered to notice.

the young man is the one that did the killings.

And you know, it is sad that the young man had no one, who cared enough
to worry about him. it seems that even his family didn't notice.
it is sad, that he seems to have had no one that cared. It seems as though he were a lone.



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At the conclusion of their annual meeting, the President of the NRA has expressed the organization's condolence over the shooting at VT. He expressed concerns on how the NRA will look to the public, because it was NRA who sponsor laws that have allowed easy ownership of all kinds of weapons, Glocks, AK-47s, etc. Well, to me it is the BLOOD GUILT that forced the NRA to expressed its condolences over the shootings. And they are partly to blame for that mess over there. Guilt! Blood Guilt!

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Wrong! The easy way of getting any guns by Mr. Cho, or by you, me, or anyone, was made possible by NRA supported laws! They even went to court, and WON, to have the sick right to have a AK~47 made legal. YES, the blood guilt of these 33 victims is on their head(the NRA), and Charleston Heston head too, for he was their president for a LONG time! And the world knows it! The European Union even blamed Heston for those crimes. Get with it lady!

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I am with it.
I believe in the right to keep and bare arms.
I believe in the right to conceal and carry.

Just think those kids at that school had the right if over 21 to own a
weapon, they have a conceal and carry in that state. The University
said you can't bring weapons to the school.

(Gee he broke that law - didn't he)
(gee, he broke another law - if you have been in a mental hospital
you can't buy a gun - he lied about that)

But had they had their weapons on them, they could have stopped him.




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Wrong! The easy way of getting any guns by Mr. Cho, or by you, me, or anyone, was made possible by NRA supported laws! They even went to court, and WON, to have the sick right to have a AK~47 made legal. YES, the blood guilt of these 33 victims is on their head(the NRA), and Charleston Heston head too, for he was their president for a LONG time! And the world knows it! The European Union even blamed Heston for those crimes. Get with it lady!

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Yeah, in your world then, all those 22,000 students should have had guns..........that would make that campus worse than a bar! Get real, and open you dull eyes, Martha; the killings existed because it was SO easy to get the guns like Mr. Cho did. If there were tougher guns laws, he might not have gotten those guns. ..............Martha, WATCH OUT........the Indians are coming to get you! Get your gun! That's when the right to bear arms was written..........way before AK-47s!

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I had one post all ready to go, and my mouse went out.
UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Had to go dig one up I paid .25 cents for at a yard sale and it is not
working real good.
so if you don't get a reply to something, then I haven't had a chance
to go out and but a new mouse.

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I will now try this again.
hope the mouse holds out.

I don't know your age or your education.
but.....................

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Martha, WATCH OUT........the Indians are coming to get you! Get your gun! That's when the right to bear arms was written..........

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE NOTE THE DATE IN RED.

http://origin.www.gpoaccess.gov/constitution/about.html

Constitution of the United States: About
The Constitution of the United States comprises the primary law of the U.S. Federal Government. It also describes the three chief branches of the Federal Government and their jurisdictions. In addition, it lays out the basic rights of citizens of the United States.
The Constitution of the United States is the oldest Federal constitution in existence and was framed by a convention of delegates from twelve of the thirteen original states in Philadelphia in May 1787, Rhode Island failing to send a delegate. The Constitution is the landmark legal document of the United States.

THE CONSTITUTION CAME ABOUT BECAUSE OF THE REVOLUTIONARY
WAR. When the people here, fought King George and the army of
England.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/cons ... ments.html

Amendments to the Constitution of the United States of America

Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Now that we know where the right to bear arms come from.

And just for what it is worth, I believe that all states have Militias.
The one for Indiana is based in Indianapolis.


Now for more education.
It isn't as easy to get weapons LEGALLY as you think. There are all kinds of hoops to jump through.
When you try and buy a gun LEGALLY you have to fill out forms.
The information on the forms is sent to the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
(by fax now a days I would guess)
The FEDERAL GOVERNMENT decides that you are OK to BUY A GUN.
EVEN AT GUNS SHOWS THE INFO HAS TO BE SENT TO THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT. THE GOVERNMENT DECIDES THAT YOU ARE OK.

if you are a felon = no gun.
domestic battery = no gun
mental problems= no gun
I don't know all of the questions at this point.
if you lie on the forms, and are caught then you are in trouble.

now the people that have guns LEGALLY ( NOTE LEGALLY)
jump through all of the hoops, that the STATE and FEDERAL government
require.

now people who are going to use the guns in the commission of a crime
get the guns off of the street. SO THEY ARE DOING IT ILLEGALLY
houses are broke into, or stores are broken into. And the guns (weapons)
are STOLEN (AGAINST THE LAW, ILLEGAL). Then they are sold on the street for little money.

this kid didn't have a AK 47. he had a GLOCK (most cops carry Glocks)and he had a 22. Both were hand guns. Both were automatics. The bullets are put in a clip. Holds about 15. Then the clip is put in the butt of the gun and the bullets are fed into the chamber.
They would have been better off if he had, had revolvers. They aren't as easy to fire and reload and only hold about 8 bullets.

You are beating a dead horse with me on this. No arguement
will change my mind on this one. Just so you know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

go do some research and you will find, that states that have conceal
carry, have less crime.

Here I did some research for you. You go check the info out. I don't have the time to do your research and reading for you

The National Instant Check System has moved to a new directory location, please update your bookmarks.

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics/index.htm
(note the FBI IN the Title)

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NICS 2005 Operations Report (pdf) (html)
NICS 2003/2004 Operations Report (pdf) (html)
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1999 and 2000 reports can be obtained by email request to a_nics@leo.gov
NICS New 24-Hour Retention Bulletin
NICS Fact Sheet
Information for Federal Firearm Licensees
NICS Index Brochure
NICS Appeals Brochure - in English (html) (pdf)
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NICS Delay Brochure (pdf) (html)
Guide for Obtaining your FBI Identification Record (pdf) (html)
A NICS Delay

Statutes and Legislation

Brady Law (P.L. 103-159, Title I; 107 Stat. 1536)
1968 Gun Control Act, as amended by Brady Law (18 U.S.C. Chapter 44)
Prohibited categories (18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(1)-(9))
Lautenberg Amendment (18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(9))
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Federal Firearms Regulation Reference Guide Index
Definitions of Prohibited Persons
National Instant Criminal Background Check System Regulations (pdf)
Brady Implementation (pdf)
Privacy Act of 1974; Notice of New System of Records (Proposed Rule)
Exemption of System of Records Under the Privacy Act
Temporary Rule -- Misdemeanor Crimes of Domestic Violence (ATF) (Proposed Rule)
Proposed rulemaking cross-referenced to Temporary Rule
Forms

NICS Enrollment Form for FFL's
ATF Forms
Links to Related Sites

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF)
State Laws and Published Ordinances
National Criminal History Improvement Program (NCHIP)
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The National Firearms Act (26 U.S.C. Chapter 53)
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REGULATIONS
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27 C.F.R. Part 178
27 C.F.R. Part 179
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Martha; the killings existed because it was SO easy to get the guns like Mr. Cho did. If there were tougher guns laws, he might not have gotten those guns. ..............Martha, WATCH OUT........the Indians are coming to get you! Get your gun! That's when the right to bear arms was written..........way before AK-47s!

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 Post subject: Hell Comes to Bath,Michigan - worst school violence in our
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Bath, Michigan
May 17, 1927


Andrew Kehoe's Farm
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The angry man marched over to the north end of his farm carrying a handsaw. As he approached the old maple trees, he dropped to his knees and began to saw through the bottom of each tree. When he severed the trunk, he carefully laid it back on the base so that any passer-by would not notice that it was cut. Next, he strolled over to a large peach tree and did the same. He propped the tree up with a few sticks so that if seen from the road or the driveway, it would appear to be in one piece. Cursing loudly, he hurried to the barn where he kept his remaining five horses. He reached up on the wall of the barn where he had hidden some bale wire. One by one, he wrapped the wire around the ankles of each horse so all the animals could do was to stand in the stall and eat from bags that hung from the creaking walls. As he alternately mumbled and swore at the nervous horses, he roughly tied each animal to the stall posts using the same wire. When they were burned alive the next day, the carcasses of these defenseless creatures were found exactly where they were bound.

“Damn bastards!’ he hissed. He accidentally kicked over a bucket of feed which he then picked up and threw at the wall. “Bastards!” he screamed. The horses became nervous but they could do nothing except hop from side to side. Outside the barn, the man gathered up some old pieces from the tractor that were laying in the grass. He brought the junk into the barn and threw it into a pile on the ground. While the pathetic cries of the bound horses emanated from the stables, he went back outside and picked up the branches that fell from the trees and threw them into the same pile. He gathered up all the debris around the yard and brought it to the barn. An old, rusted bicycle that lay in back of the chicken coop, he tossed it through a barn window. "They never learn! They never learn!” he repeated over and over again. As he went behind the tool shed, he loosened his belt and then re-buckled it, pulling it as tight as he could around his waist. Outside the shed, between the chicken coop and the barn, the body of a woman, freshly killed, lay in a wheelbarrow. Her arms and legs dangled from the sides of the cart as her blood flowed down onto the grass. Her head, broken in pieces by a series of heavy blows, hung over the front of the cart, her eyes staring blanking into eternity. The man lifted the wheelbarrow and pushed it roughly. “Not sick anymore?” he said to the corpse. He carted the body of his wife behind the shed near some tall bushes so anyone who might drive by would not notice it.

After he parked the hog crate, he entered the shed and took out a two foot by one foot piece of board that he had been saving. He placed the board on a workbench and, like he had done dozens of times before, sanded one side smooth. When he finished he took a can of linseed oil from the shelf and carefully poured a tiny amount of the liquid into a rag. He then rubbed the wood gently, letting the white pine absorb the oil. Then he sanded the wood again. He repeated the process several times today, like he had on previous occasions. Only today, it would be a little different. Next he clamped the plank flat side down onto his workbench. The scowling man reached into a sack and removed a letter stencil. It was the kind that children use in school and homework projects. The stencil contained all the letters of the alphabet, both in upper and lower case and a set of numbers from 1 to 10. He bought the stencil for five cents in a local store in Bath the week before. Very steadily, he began to trace the letters onto the wood. Using a new pencil, which he sharpened every third letter, in order to keep the thickness of the line uniform, he drew the letters of his message on the wood. He measured the distance between the words to ensure it was the same throughout the sign. Once he had the words inscribed on the plank, he used a one-inch brush and black paint to fill in the outline. Being extra careful not to color over the outlines, he painted all the letters. After waiting the prescribed one-hour according to directions, he repainted all the letters so none of the grain of the wood showed through. Once or twice, he thought he heard a noise outside the shed that caused him to glance out the window. He saw his wife inside the wheelbarrow, undisturbed, immobile, still dead. The man shrugged his shoulders. “It’s too damn bad!” he said to no one.

A bitterness swept over him, fueled by imagined conflicts and persecutions by people he barely knew. It had long ago poisoned his soul, generating an insane anger whose dimensions knew no bounds. He cursed to himself, smugly, warmed by the knowledge that all the townspeople would soon pay for their sins against him and pay dearly. A time of reckoning was near, a day when debts would be paid and accounts would be balanced. A day when the world would be made right again and the name of Andrew Kehoe would be known by all. Images of dead children filled his brain. And he smiled.



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beautiful spring day it was on May 18, 1927 in Bath, Michigan, so very much in contrast with what was about to happen. In the morning, Kehoe made a brief trip to the town post office where he mailed a rather large package containing the finance history of the school board. Also included in the papers was a long and detailed explanation concerning a twenty-two cent discrepancy in Kehoe’s own books. Such was his manner. It was an indication of his insanity that Kehoe would debate a twenty-two cent shortage when he was minutes away from committing mass murder.

At about 8:00 AM, the children began to arrive at the consolidated school for the day’s classes as they had for so many other mornings. They pushed and shoved their way through the hallways, calling to each other, dropping books and pencils onto the floors, hurrying to class, thinking of ways to explain why they couldn’t do their homework or pass the end terms, their minds firmly fixed on the summer vacation that loomed just ahead. They had no way of knowing that just inches beneath their feet, over 1,000 pounds of dynamite waited patiently for a tiny electric current to begin an explosive chain reaction which would change their lives forever.


The Nickols sisters
(New York Times)
At about 8:30 that morning, Mrs. Blanche Harte, a 6th grade teacher instructed her pupils in a second-floor classroom. Willa and George Hall, brother and sister sat in another class opening their books for the day’s assignment. Robert Bromund, 12, sat in his fifth grade dreaming of baseball. His sister, Amelia, 11, was in Mrs. Harte’s class. Robert Cochran, 9, was in the third grade and recently told his father he wanted to be a doctor. Willa Marie, 11 and her brother, George, 9, packed up their books as they prepared for the summer recess. All three of the Nickols sisters, Ruth, Ottelia and Emma were attending their final classes of the school term. Stanley Hart, 10, and his brothers and sisters, Robert, Percy, Iola and Vivian went about their duties in different classrooms. Miss Eva Gubbins, another 6th grade teacher was just sitting down to grade student papers. And Cleo Clayton, 8 years old, gazed out a first floor window, into the fields of grass and meadows where he played many times before, oblivious to a particularly cruel fate to which he would soon be victim.

Meanwhile, about two miles from the school, Kehoe had completed final preparations on his farm. At approximately 8:45 AM, he detonated the firebombs at his home. The entire place exploded into flames, sending debris far into the sky, some of which eventually landed on a farm across the road. The neighbors, hearing the explosion, ran to Kehoe’s farm to render assistance. As they sprinted down his driveway, Kehoe was already behind the wheel of his pickup truck. “Boys,” he said,” you are my friends. You better get out of here. You better go down to the school.” Within minutes, the Kehoe farm was fully engulfed in flames. Neighbors, not knowing what had actually happened, rushed to the scene to help. As Kehoe quickly drove away, another tremendous explosion, much bigger than the first, occurred in the distance. The sound was heard for at least ten miles. The Bath Consolidated School had been blown up. O.H. Buck, who responded to the Kehoe farm to render aid, heard the massive explosion at the school. “I began to feel as though the world was coming to an end,” he later told reporters. In Lansing and East Lansing, the police and fire departments were notified immediately.


Bath School bombed
Before the dust from the school explosion had even hit the ground, townspeople were digging through the rubble. M.J. Ellsworth, Kehoe’s next door neighbor, was one of the first rescuers to arrive: “we could hear the children screaming and moaning at the school. It seemed as if our car would hardly run. It was a ride that none of us will ever forget” (Ellsworth, p.6). When they arrived at the school, they were stunned by what they saw. Fully half the building, the northwest wing, was gone. The walls were destroyed and the roof lay on the ground. Under it, the bodies of children lay. Little arms and legs stuck out from the ruins. Faces, covered with blood and dust, peered through broken windows and debris. Miss Sterling, a teacher on the second floor, told the press: “Without warning this terrible explosion came. I saw the bodies of my children hurled against the walls or through the windows” (N.Y. Times, May 19, 1927). Frantic mothers ran screaming to the scene for almost every adult in town had at least one child enrolled at the school. The sobbing of trapped children could be heard as some mothers fought with rescuers to pull their children out from the wreckage. The magnitude of the blast was enormous; those who came to the school imagined and expected the worst. Men worked feverishly digging into the mountain of rubble where little children were screaming in terror.

Less than 30 minutes after the school explosion, Kehoe pulled up in his pickup truck. No one knew that he had loaded the back of his vehicle with dynamite and pieces of metal junk. He got out of his car and saw School Superintendent Emory Huyck in the distance. Kehoe called him over to his car. As he approached, Kehoe pulled a rifle from the front seat, aimed at the dynamite and fired. Another powerful explosion rocked the helpless village. A huge column of flame erupted into the sky and sideways down the street. Shrapnel shot out in all directions, through the trees, windows and homes striking down everything in its path. Emory Huyck and Postmaster Glen Smith were killed. Kehoe was almost obliterated. As Glen Smith lay dying on the ground, he told rescuers: “Leave me, boys, and run, these trees are full of it” (Ellsworth, p. 10). A few minutes later, he died in his wife’s arms. And student Cleo Clayton, 8 years old, still dazed from the first blast and walking along the street a hundred yards away, was struck in the stomach by a large bolt from Kehoe’s shrapnel. He died some hours later, twice a victim of Kehoe’s madness.

The people working at the school were in a full panic. No one understood what had happened. Many imagined they were under some sort of military attack. Rumors swept through the crowd about more explosions to come. In the distance, Kehoe’s farm continued to burn, sending pillars of thick black smoke hundreds of feet into the air. Periodic explosions could still be heard from the farm as Kehoe’s stash of Pyrotol continued to detonate. In the village, rows of parked cars, as well as many of the trees along the road to the school, were on fire from the original blast. Pieces of bodies were strewn in the bushes and trees and many relatives of the children had fainted or became hysterical. Three of the Hart children, Iola, Vivian and Percy, were found dead in the rubble. So were Willa and George Hall, Robert and Amelia Bromund, and several dozen others. Over a hundred people were injured and more were being uncovered by the minute.

Very shortly after Kehoe’s truck explosion, the Lansing Fire and Police Departments arrived from the city. The State Police came upon the scene and the Department of Public Safety also sent their people. But nothing could have prepared the police for what they saw. Wrecked and burning cars, downed trees, a collapsed building containing screaming children, fires everywhere. It resembled some battle scene from a world war. Near the school was “the front end of a Ford with parts of a human body hanging on it. Truck parts were found 125 feet in one direction from the machine and thirty feet in another. Flesh dangled from overhanging telephone wires…People were frantic, trying to dig the children out from beneath the ruins with bare hands” (Parker, p. 126).

A short distance away from where Kehoe’s pick-up exploded, Mrs. Frank Smith stood in front of her home watching in horror the events that unfolded before her eyes. In the corner of her garden, amidst the flowers and grass she meticulously cared for, she noticed a crumpled mass of clothing. As she investigated, she saw that it was a large part of a human body, bloody and mangled almost beyond recognition. From a rear pocket of the clothing, she saw some papers and carefully removed them. When Mrs. Smith read the papers, she saw that part of it was a bankbook from the Lilley State Bank of Tecumseh belonging to Andrew Kehoe. The other part was Kehoe’s Michigan driver’s license. Mrs. Smith ran over to the local Sheriff who was directing rescue efforts at the school. The sheriff brought some of Kehoe’s neighbors who viewed the human remains in Mrs. Smith’s garden and a positive identification was made. Andrew Kehoe had been found.


The 504 pounds of dynamite
(New York Times)
Back at the school, hundreds of rescuers were working the ruins. As they searched through the rubble, desperate to find signs of life, a chilling discovery was made. The State Police emerged from the basement of the school with a bushel of fresh dynamite and informed the crowd there were more explosives in the building. Minutes later police located a battery and clock. All rescue efforts came to a sudden halt. Working frantically in the twisted steel and concrete, not knowing if they would be blown to hell the next second, with a courage that speaks volumes of such men, police carefully dismantled the remainder of Kehoe’s handiwork. Someone asked these men why they risked their lives, one of the cops replied “That is our duty” (Ellsworth, p.12). They removed a total of 504 pounds of dynamite, along with wires and detonating devices. The Pyrotol was divided up into eight different bombs, hidden in various spots on the south end of the school. Police theorized the first blast caused some type of a short circuit and caused a malfunction of the bomb. If this additional dynamite had gone off, the school would have been demolished and the death toll would surely have been in the hundreds.

Slowly, the bodies of the innocent victims were brought out from the ruins. They were placed in neat rows on the grass by the school where they were hastily covered up. Then one by one, the corpses were transported to City Hall, which acted as a temporary morgue. Dazed parents, wracked by grief and shock, were brought in to identify the remains of the children, some of who were horribly mangled. A short distance away, Mrs. Eugene Hart sat in the street, with her two little dead girls, one in each arm and her son, Percy, lying dead in her lap. “There were sights that I hope no one will ever have to look at again,” said M. J. Ellsworth.


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his final words to the families of the dead, as if this sentence could explain it all. The sign read: “CRIMINALS ARE MADE, NOT BORN.” A total of 38 children were killed, 7 teachers died and 61 others were severely injured. It was the worst school violence in our nation’s history.


(New York Times)
Across the world, newspaper headlines announced the shocking tragedy in the village with the unlikely name of Bath. The story competed for page one space with the Charles Lindbergh flight and massive floods on the Mississippi River. The New York Times story of May 19 read “MANIAC BLOWS UP SCHOOL, KILLS 42, MOSTLY CHILDREN.” The press struggled to find reasons for Kehoe’s bombing rampage, but of course, there were none. In the wake of such a tragedy, there is never an acceptable explanation. The Bath community was devastated. Its loss could not be measured in simple numbers. No one in the village escaped harm. Virtually everyone had lost a relative, friend, classmate, teacher. In addition to the human casualties, Bath faced a financial catastrophe. A new school would have to be built by a town that had already sacrificed a great deal to build the first one. The future looked bleak.

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 Post subject: Some perspective on the VT shootings.
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Some perspective on the VT shootings.
The usual wave of net hysteria over the US having "too many guns", which is why we "have all the school shootings" is hitting the airwaves and blogosphere, so it's time to run the numbers, kids. For the period of 1996 to 2007:

In the US as of today, 7 total attacks, 72 dead including attackers. If you take the numbers from two days ago, 6 total attacks, 40 dead.

UK: One attack, 18 dead including the gunman.
Germany: three attacks, 22 dead.
Canada: one attack, 2 dead.
Japan: one attack, 8 dead (plus the attacker later executed) WITH A
KITCHEN KNIFE.

I cherry-picked those countries, but combined they have almost exactly the same number of people we do; 302 million to our 301 million. Combined, they have 6 attacks, 50 dead including attackers.

Look at that again; as of two days ago they had MORE dead school massacre victims than we did, in the same number of attacks. And in Japan it was a kitchen knife.

If you break them down by country, the numbers look interesting too:

UK: 20% of our population, 25% as many dead. Higher rate than us, even including yesterday.
Germany: 27% of our population, 30% as many dead. Higher rate.
Canada: 11% of our population, 8% as many dead. Slightly lower, but a very small sample.
Japan: 49% of our population, 13% of our dead. (20% two days ago). Much lower rate.

All of these countries have heavy restrictions on firearms. Yet two of them have HIGHER school shooting dead rates than we do, and combined they're about the same.

This is not a US problem. This is not a gun problem; they find a gun or they find a way. This is a problem with a culture whose mythology glorifies criminal violence, and whose schools no longer include moral education at a time when fewer and fewer people are getting that moral education elsewhere.

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Martha, I don't know your age or education, but here it goes. Wrong AGAIN! 1~Yes, I noticed the date, MAY 1787, ok, the point here? They needed guns at the time because of the Indians on the frontier, which was, at the time, JUST WEST of the original 13 colonies. 2~Your like all the other guns nuts, who always produce this sentence FRAGMENT of that article. Why don't you people read, produce, talk about the WHOLE sentence? It says, for a WELL-REGULATED militia.....the right to bear arms shall not be infringed!!!! Because of troubles with England and the Indians, Americans at that time needed weapons at a moments noticed. And if there was to be a militia, it had to be WELL~REGULATED by the state or at the federal level, then the right of a person to own a weapon was justified! In other words, a person had the right to a weapon, ONLY if this person was a member of a legal militia! This Article NEVER invision AK-47s, Clocks, etc. in the hands of the insane and criminals. A militia must be authorized at the state or federal level, and that's why Mr. Bush called the minutemen at the border, vigilantes. People like you think your slick when you only highlight the last part of that Article; but when a person reads the WHOLE sentence, your case falls apart!

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Martha, I don't know your age or education, but here it goes. Wrong AGAIN! 1~Yes, I noticed the date, MAY 1787, ok, the point here? They needed guns at the time because of the Indians on the frontier, which was, at the time, JUST WEST of the original 13 colonies. 2~Your like all the other guns nuts, who always produce this sentence FRAGMENT of that article. Why don't you people read, produce, talk about the WHOLE sentence? It says, for a WELL-REGULATED militia.....the right to bear arms shall not be infringed!!!! Because of troubles with England and the Indians, Americans at that time needed weapons at a moments noticed. And if there was to be a militia, it had to be WELL~REGULATED by the state or at the federal level, then the right of a person to own a weapon was justified! In other words, a person had the right to a weapon, ONLY if this person was a member of a legal militia! This Article NEVER invision AK-47s, Clocks, etc. in the hands of the insane and criminals. A militia must be authorized at the state or federal level, and that's why Mr. Bush called the minutemen at the border, vigilantes. People like you think your slick when you only highlight the last part of that Article; but when a person reads the WHOLE sentence, your case falls apart!


This is the 21st century........There is absolutely no reason for the citizenry to have automatic weapons. There are too many guns, period.

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I agree, BWG!!!!!

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Hey thanks for the post express...

Reminded me I have to renew my NRA membership card...


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And i have to remind my amigos to make sure hey have new SS numbers for the coming year. :lol:

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But the point is this, the NRA DID INDEED apologize for the killings because they knew they were the blame for all the illegal guns in this country. 8)

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