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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 10:16 am 
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For those of you who feel the need to worry about "Mother Earth" here is something you can really fret over.
Cold is FAR more dangerous to our survival than warmth.

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Sun Oddly Quiet -- Hints at Next "Little Ice Age"?
Anne Minard
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May 4, 2009
A prolonged lull in solar activity has astrophysicists glued to their telescopes waiting to see what the sun will do next—and how Earth's climate might respond.

The sun is the least active it's been in decades and the dimmest in a hundred years. The lull is causing some scientists to recall the Little Ice Age, an unusual cold spell in Europe and North America, which lasted from about 1300 to 1850.

The coldest period of the Little Ice Age, between 1645 and 1715, has been linked to a deep dip in solar storms known as the Maunder Minimum.

During that time, access to Greenland was largely cut off by ice, and canals in Holland routinely froze solid. Glaciers in the Alps engulfed whole villages, and sea ice increased so much that no open water flowed around Iceland in the year 1695.

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In July 2000 the sun was at a peak in activity, as seen by the speckling of sunspots spied by NASA's Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) spacecraft. But the sun was a blank disk in March 2009, when it was the quietest it has been since the 1950s.

The current sunspot deficit has caused some scientists to recall the Little Ice Age of the early 1600s and late 1700s, a prolonged, localized cold spell linked to a decline in solar activity.


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America and climate change

Cap and trade, with handouts and loopholes
May 21st 2009 | WASHINGTON, DC
From The Economist print edition

The first climate-change bill with a chance of passing is weaker and worse than expected

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AL GORE calls it “one of the most important pieces of legislation ever introduced in Congress”. Joe Barton, a Republican congressman and global-warming sceptic, says it will put the American economy in a straitjacket. For something that practically no one has read, the American Clean Energy and Security Act provokes heated debate. It would establish a cap-and-trade system for curbing carbon-dioxide emissions, thus transforming the way Americans use energy.

President Barack Obama has long argued that America should join Europe in regulating planet-cooking carbon. But he has left the details to Congress. And the negotiations to craft a bill that might actually pass have not been pretty. The most straightforward and efficient approach to reducing carbon emissions—a carbon tax—was never seriously considered. Voters do not like to hear the word “tax” unless it is followed by the word “cut”.

So Mr Obama proposed something very similar to a carbon tax, albeit slightly more cumbersome. Industries that emit carbon dioxide would have to buy permits to do so. A fixed number of permits would be auctioned each year. The permits would be tradable, so firms that found ways to emit less than they were entitled to could sell some of their permits to others. The system would motivate everyone to reduce emissions in the most cost-effective way. It would raise energy prices, which is the point, but it would also raise hundreds of billions of dollars, most of which Mr Obama planned to give back to voters. Alas, that plan looks doomed.

On May 15th Henry Waxman and Edward Markey, the Democratic point-men on climate change in the House of Representatives, unveiled a bill that would give away 85% of carbon permits for nothing, with only 15% being auctioned. The bill’s supporters say this colossal compromise was necessary to win the support of firms that generate dirty energy or use a lot of it, and to satisfy congressmen from states that mine coal or roll steel.

Giving away permits creates several problems. First, it generates no money, thereby royally messing up Mr Obama’s budget. Second, it means that the permits go not to those who value them most (as in an auction) but to those whom the government favours. Under Waxman-Markey, electricity-distributors would get the largest share, with the rest divided between energy-intensive manufacturers, carmakers, natural-gas distributors, states with renewable-energy programmes and so on. Oil firms, with only 2% of the permits, feel hard done by. But most polluters, having just been promised hundreds of billions of dollars’ worth of permits for nothing, are elated. So it is not just the owners of ski resorts and businesses with negligible carbon footprints that are queuing up to praise the bill. Duke Energy, a power generator with lots of coal-fired plants, is also enthusiastic.

The grand handout to shareholders is meant to last until around 2030, by which time all permits will be auctioned. In the meantime, the bill’s supporters say that consumers will be protected from higher energy prices because the largest chunk of the free permits will go to tightly regulated electricity distributors. Regulators can simply order these firms to keep prices low. Problem solved.

Not so, says Alan Viard, an analyst at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think-tank. If electricity is cheap, Americans will buy more of it, generating more emissions than would otherwise have been the case. Other industries will accordingly have to cut their emissions more, since there are a fixed number of permits. The cost of this will be passed on to consumers. Overall, ordinary Americans will endure price hikes just as severe as they would have under Mr Obama’s plan, while receiving far less compensation. Mr Viard likens giving permits to polluters to handing the proceeds of a tobacco tax to the shareholders of Philip Morris.

Another problem with Waxman-Markey is its complexity. At 932 pages, it is half as long again as an already-bloated previous draught. It includes a dizzying array of handouts, mandates and technical standards for everything from hot-food-holding cabinets to portable spas. It allows for a huge increase in “offsets”—where a polluter pays someone else to stop polluting instead of curbing his own emissions. These are open to abuse, as Europe’s experience shows. There is little to stop foreign factories from starting to pollute just so that someone will pay them to stop.

Among environmentalists, support for the bill varies. Some denounce it for doing less to curb greenhouse gases than was once promised. It aims to cut emissions by 17% below the level in 2005 by 2020, instead of 20%. Greenpeace’s American arm says it cannot support the bill in its current state. Other greens reckon that if this is the strongest bill that can pass, the best idea is to pass it now and tighten it later.

That is the most likely outcome, though far from certain. Mr Waxman wants his bill to pass through the House energy committee this week. Republicans such as Mr Barton could slow it down by offering hundreds of amendments or forcing it to be read aloud. (Mr Waxman has hired a speed-reader, just in case.) But they probably do not have enough votes to stop it, either in committee or when it eventually comes before the full House.

The next step will be the Senate, where the minority has more power. It is hard to predict what will happen there. Republicans plan to berate the bill as both a job-destroyer and a handout to big business. Some will also argue that it will make little difference to the climate if China and India do not also curb their emissions.

The bill’s supporters retort that both countries will come on board only if America sets a good example. Time is running out before the big global climate conference in Copenhagen in December. If the United States does not have a cap-and-trade law in place by then, the chance of a global agreement will plummet. The bill may be imperfect, says Steve Tripoli of Ceres, a green business group, but having no bill at all would be unthinkable.

Meanwhile, Mr Obama continues to attack climate change from other angles. On May 19th he announced that he would impose tougher fuel-efficiency standards. Carmakers will have to produce vehicles that go eight miles farther on a gallon of petrol by 2016. Cars must eke out 39 miles (63km) per gallon, on average; light trucks must manage 30 miles. Carmakers, some of whom would be bankrupt if Mr Obama was not pumping them full of taxpayers’ money, meekly applauded. In the past an agreement such as this would have been thought impossible, the president crowed.

Mr Obama admitted that more fuel-efficient cars might cost more. But he promised that motorists would save thousands of dollars by cutting their fuel bills. In fact, they can already cut their fuel bills by buying smaller cars, but most choose not to. Mr Obama could discourage petrol use more directly and efficiently by taxing the stuff, but that would be unpopular. Ideally, politicians who want to save the planet would be honest with voters about how much this will cost. But America’s leaders do not seem to think Americans are ready for straight talk about energy.


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Obama plan: Paint roofs white to save world
Suggests light colors would reduce global warming


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php? ... geId=99290



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Obama plan: Paint roofs white to save world
Suggests light colors would reduce global warming


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php? ... geId=99290



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I was thinking maybe we could set the clocks ahead a few hours, allowing it to get dark earlier, thus eliminating unnecessary heat from the sunlight.

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Maybe we could put up those reflector screens and send energy back to the sun?

May 27, 2009
The Myth of 5 Million Green Jobs
By Tony Blankley

In 1845, the French economist Frederic Bastiat published a satirical petition from the "Manufacturers of Candles" to the French Chamber of Deputies, which ridiculed the arguments made on behalf of inefficient industries to protect them from more efficient producers:

"We are suffering from the ruinous competition of a rival who apparently works under conditions so far superior to our own for the production of light that he is flooding the domestic market with it at an incredibly low price; for the moment he appears, our sales cease, all the consumers turn to him, and a branch of French industry whose ramifications are innumerable is all at once reduced to complete stagnation. This rival, which is none other than the sun, is waging war on us... We ask you to be so good as to pass a law requiring the closing of all windows, dormers, skylights, inside and outside shutters, curtains, casements, bull's-eyes, deadlights, and blinds -- in short, all openings, holes, chinks, and fissures through which the light of the sun is wont to enter houses, to the detriment of the fair industries with which, we are proud to say, we have endowed the country."

This famous put-down highlights the problem of claiming that protecting inefficient producers creates good jobs. Obviously, the money the French would have wasted on unneeded candles could have been spent on needed products and services -- to the increased prosperity of the French economy.

I mention this in the context of the Obama administration's assertion that by subsidizing alternative energy sources, it will create 5 million green jobs. To that end, Congress passed in the stimulus bill $110 billion to subsidize and otherwise support such green efforts. And in conceptual support of that argument, the administration has referred to "what's happening in countries like Spain, Germany and Japan, where they're making real investments in renewable energy."

Well, in March, one of Spain's leading universities, Universidad Rey Juan Carlos, published an authoritative study "of the effects on employment of public aid to renewable energy sources." The report pointed out: "This study is important for several reasons. First is that the Spanish experience is considered a leading example to be followed by many policy advocates and politicians. This study marks the very first time a critical analysis of the actual performance and impact has been made. Most important, it demonstrates that the Spanish/EU-style 'green jobs' agenda now being promoted in the U.S. in fact destroys jobs, detailing this in terms of jobs destroyed per job created."

The central finding of the study is that -- treating the data optimistically -- for every renewable-energy job that the government finances, "Spain's experience reveals with high confidence, by two different methods, that the U.S. should expect a loss of at least 2.2 jobs on average, or about 9 jobs lost for every 4 created."

Despite expensive and extensive green-job policies, a surprisingly low number of jobs were created. And about two-thirds of those "green" jobs were just to set up the energy source, in construction, fabrication, installation, marketing and administration. Only 10 percent of the green jobs created were permanent jobs actually operating and maintaining the renewable sources of energy.

Each wind industry job created in Spain required a subsidy of about $1.4 million. Overall, the average subsidy cost for each green job was about $800,000 (571,138 euros). And to create about 50,000 green jobs, Spain lost 110,000 jobs elsewhere in the economy, principally in metallurgy, nonmetallic mining and food processing and in the beverage and tobacco industries.

Each green megawatt brought on line destroyed 5.28 jobs elsewhere in the economy (8.99 by photovoltaics, 4.27 by wind energy and 5.05 by mini-hydropower). The total higher energy cost -- the higher cost of renewable energy over the market price of carbon-based energy -- between 2000 and 2008 was about $10 billion. Moreover, the report concluded, "These costs do not appear to be unique to Spain's approach but instead are largely inherent in schemes to promote renewable energy sources."

The high cost of green energy predictably drove energy-intensive Spanish companies and industries out of Spain to countries with cheaper carbon-based energy, while the cost to Spanish taxpayers of renewable-energy subsidies was "enormous--4.35 percent of all (value-added taxes) collected, 3.45 percent of the household income tax, or 5.6 percent of the corporate income tax."

There is much more in the report, which at about 50 pages in length would make useful reading for our elected representatives. Those who are worried about global warming may, after studying this report, still want to subsidize renewable-energy production. But it will be hard for such people to honestly continue to believe that they can think they are addressing global warming while creating millions of net new jobs.


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In a meeting Wednesday, the head of China's national legislature, Wu Bangguo, told Pelosi that climate change was a common challenge and that Beijing stood ready to work with Washington.

Turning around her usual criticisms about human rights, Pelosi linked global warming to environmental justice, saying the right to a clean environment is also a human right.

"I do see this opportunity for climate change to be ... a game-changer," she said at Tsinghua. "It's a place where human rights — looking out for the needs of the poor in terms of climate change and healthy environment — are a human right."


"They also have to do it with openness, transparency and accountability to the people," she said. "Everyone has to have their situation improved by it."
To achieve this, Pelosi said governments would have to make decisions and choices based on science.


In answering a question from a student about how Pelosi was going to get Americans to cut back on their carbon emissions, the leading Democratic lawmaker said it was important to educate children on how to conserve energy and for citizens to build more environmentally friendly homes.

"We have so much room for improvement," she said. "Every aspect of our lives must be subjected to an inventory ... of how we are taking responsibility."


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Green homeowner hit with noise abatement order because 40ft wind turbine is driving his neighbours madBy Chris Brooke
Last updated at 12:29 AM on 27th May 2009

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When Stephen Munday spent £20,000 on a wind turbine to generate electricity for his home, he was proud to be doing his bit for the environment.
He got planning permission and put up the 40ft device two years ago, making sure he stuck to strict noise level limits.
But neighbours still complained that the sound was annoying - and now the local council has ordered him to switch it off.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... s-mad.html


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May to go out under a freeze watch

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Posted May 30, 2009 @ 09:28 PM

The National Weather Service has issued a freeze watch for many parts of New York from Sunday through Monday morning, including Oneida County.

Widespread frost and freeze conditions are possible tonight and into early Monday morning.

The region’s low temperature for today is expected to be about 36 degrees, which also is the record low temperature for May 31, according to WKTV meteorologists and weather archives.

The record was set in 1966.

A low of 50 degrees is expected for Monday.

The record low for June 1 is 31 degrees, which was set in 1945, according to weather archives.

http://www.uticaod.com/archive/x1175994 ... eeze-watch


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Green homeowner hit with noise abatement order because 40ft wind turbine is driving his neighbours madBy Chris Brooke
Last updated at 12:29 AM on 27th May 2009

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When Stephen Munday spent £20,000 on a wind turbine to generate electricity for his home, he was proud to be doing his bit for the environment.
He got planning permission and put up the 40ft device two years ago, making sure he stuck to strict noise level limits.
But neighbours still complained that the sound was annoying - and now the local council has ordered him to switch it off.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... s-mad.html

He should have used THIS system.
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I was sitting here looking at my birds the other day, and the thought crossed my mind that, if there was something wrong with the atmosphere in my house, my birds would be the first to die.

Comparatively, if there was something wrong with the atmosphere in this world, the smallest creatures would be the first to show the signs. A decline in the krill and plankton in the oceans, which covers more than 2/3 of this world, would be the first sign of problems. There is currently no problems with the abundance of krill and plankton in this world, with the exception of along the shorelines where they are trampled out by the over-activity of mankind. None of the species are listed by the IUCN.


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I was sitting here looking at my birds the other day, and the thought crossed my mind that, if there was something wrong with the atmosphere in my house, my birds would be the first to die.

Comparatively, if there was something wrong with the atmosphere in this world, the smallest creatures would be the first to show the signs. A decline in the krill and plankton in the oceans, which covers more than 2/3 of this world, would be the first sign of problems. There is currently no problems with the abundance of krill and plankton in this world, with the exception of along the shorelines where they are trampled out by the over-activity of mankind. None of the species are listed by the IUCN.


While I believe that Global Warming is a normal climate fluctuation. Bird species, plankton and krill are all in decline due to it.

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Krill decline threatens Antarctic wildlife

Antarctic krill, eaten by whales, penguins, fish and other animals, have declined drastically since the 1970s and this could threaten the Antarctic wildlife, according to a study to be published today.

The densities of krill have dropped by about 80 per cent since 1976, and the most likely explanation for the fall is a dramatic decline in sea ice.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200411/s1234442.htm
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The data show a 12 percent decline in phytoplankton in the area over the 30-year period. The distribution of the tiny plants has also changed with declines in the northern part of the peninsula and increases to the south. The researchers also noted that the “cold-dry polar-type climate” that once characterized the region is morphing into a “warm-humid sub-Antarctic-type.”


http://features.csmonitor.com/innovation/2009/03/18/climate-change-messes-with-the-food-chain/

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A quarter of all bird species in the United States have declined in population since the 1970s, according to a report issued by the National Audubon Society.

Of more than 800 native U.S. bird species, 201 are included on the group's Watchlist 2000.


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/11/1105_021105_BirdDecline.html

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 Post subject: Re: Shhh ... don't call it 'Global Warming' anymore
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Screech wrote:
I was sitting here looking at my birds the other day, and the thought crossed my mind that, if there was something wrong with the atmosphere in my house, my birds would be the first to die.

Comparatively, if there was something wrong with the atmosphere in this world, the smallest creatures would be the first to show the signs. A decline in the krill and plankton in the oceans, which covers more than 2/3 of this world, would be the first sign of problems. There is currently no problems with the abundance of krill and plankton in this world, with the exception of along the shorelines where they are trampled out by the over-activity of mankind. None of the species are listed by the IUCN.


While I believe that Global Warming is a normal climate fluctuation. Bird species, plankton and krill are all in decline due to it.

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Krill decline threatens Antarctic wildlife

Antarctic krill, eaten by whales, penguins, fish and other animals, have declined drastically since the 1970s and this could threaten the Antarctic wildlife, according to a study to be published today.

The densities of krill have dropped by about 80 per cent since 1976, and the most likely explanation for the fall is a dramatic decline in sea ice.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200411/s1234442.htm
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The data show a 12 percent decline in phytoplankton in the area over the 30-year period. The distribution of the tiny plants has also changed with declines in the northern part of the peninsula and increases to the south. The researchers also noted that the “cold-dry polar-type climate” that once characterized the region is morphing into a “warm-humid sub-Antarctic-type.”


http://features.csmonitor.com/innovation/2009/03/18/climate-change-messes-with-the-food-chain/

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A quarter of all bird species in the United States have declined in population since the 1970s, according to a report issued by the National Audubon Society.

Of more than 800 native U.S. bird species, 201 are included on the group's Watchlist 2000.


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/11/1105_021105_BirdDecline.html

There is no reason to confuse them with the facts,Matt. They don't want to "get it", and probably lack the intelligence to even grasp how serious the problem really is. Luckily, there are enough responsible people in power who do get it and are working on making changes.

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Better keep those snow shovels handy, folks.

Methinks we're going to need them. The last time something like this happened the earth was plunged into a mini ice age..... :shock:


NASA: Sun cycle 'lowest since 1928'

New Solar Cycle Prediction
05.29.2009

May 29, 2009: An international panel of experts led by NOAA and sponsored by NASA has released a new prediction for the next solar cycle. Solar Cycle 24 will peak, they say, in May 2013 with a below-average number of sunspots.

"If our prediction is correct, Solar Cycle 24 will have a peak sunspot number of 90, the lowest of any cycle since 1928 when Solar Cycle 16 peaked at 78," says panel chairman Doug Biesecker of the NOAA Space Weather Prediction Center.

The latest forecast revises an earlier prediction issued in 2007. At that time, a sharply divided panel believed solar minimum would come in March 2008 followed by either a strong solar maximum in 2011 or a weak solar maximum in 2012. Competing models gave different answers, and researchers were eager for the sun to reveal which was correct.

Researchers have known about the solar cycle since the mid-1800s. Graphs of sunspot numbers resemble a roller coaster, going up and down with an approximately 11-year period. At first glance, it looks like a regular pattern, but predicting the peaks and valleys has proven troublesome. Cycles vary in length from about 9 to 14 years. Some peaks are high, others low. The valleys are usually brief, lasting only a couple of years, but sometimes they stretch out much longer. In the 17th century the sun plunged into a 70-year period of spotlessness known as the Maunder Minimum that still baffles scientists.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009 ... iction.htm

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There is no reason to confuse them with the facts,Matt. They don't want to "get it", and probably lack the intelligence to even grasp how serious the problem really is.


What '' facts '' are you referring to?...what is there to '' get ''...and how '' real ''is it sparks?...


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Luckily, there are enough responsible people in power who do get it and are working on making changes.


What kind of changes?...and who do we have '' in power '' that do '' get it ''

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Better keep those snow shovels handy, folks.

Methinks we're going to need them. The last time something like this happened the earth was plunged into a mini ice age..... :shock:


NASA: Sun cycle 'lowest since 1928'

New Solar Cycle Prediction
05.29.2009

May 29, 2009: An international panel of experts led by NOAA and sponsored by NASA has released a new prediction for the next solar cycle. Solar Cycle 24 will peak, they say, in May 2013 with a below-average number of sunspots.

"If our prediction is correct, Solar Cycle 24 will have a peak sunspot number of 90, the lowest of any cycle since 1928 when Solar Cycle 16 peaked at 78," says panel chairman Doug Biesecker of the NOAA Space Weather Prediction Center.

The latest forecast revises an earlier prediction issued in 2007. At that time, a sharply divided panel believed solar minimum would come in March 2008 followed by either a strong solar maximum in 2011 or a weak solar maximum in 2012. Competing models gave different answers, and researchers were eager for the sun to reveal which was correct.

Researchers have known about the solar cycle since the mid-1800s. Graphs of sunspot numbers resemble a roller coaster, going up and down with an approximately 11-year period. At first glance, it looks like a regular pattern, but predicting the peaks and valleys has proven troublesome. Cycles vary in length from about 9 to 14 years. Some peaks are high, others low. The valleys are usually brief, lasting only a couple of years, but sometimes they stretch out much longer. In the 17th century the sun plunged into a 70-year period of spotlessness known as the Maunder Minimum that still baffles scientists.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009 ... iction.htm

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The board loser steps up and provides another example of how truly stupid he is. Any discussions of Global Warming are about man's impact on the climate on Earth. Nothing that humans do on Earth affects solar activity like sunspots. Only a moron like USLoser would even post a link about sunspots in a thread about AGW. I have always felt that Happy Jack is the best example of "Second Hand Stupidity" on local message boards, but you are causing me to rethink who really deserves the honor of being known as the King of Stupid. Carry on,SFB's

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