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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:14 pm 
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Perfect illustration of what's wrong in Washington.
When did a Dem ever shout out during a president's speech, unable to control himself for even a few minutes? Pathetic!


are you serious?

I mean I know you claim to be informed but this is just pathetic....

Did see the idiots stand up and clap when the pos in chief bashed Sarah Palin? a private citizen for cryin out loud.....why can't this loser let go of her?.... I must have missed the part where DUMBO said she lost her First Amendment rights.

The only reason this ass hole does this is because she tells the truth.

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In 2004, Democrats delivered a “Chorus Of Boos” during Bush's Bush’s State Of The Union when he called for renewal of the Patriot Act.


so why don't you quit your goddamn ''aww evewyboddy is pickin on my pwesident''....whining....

bunch of goddamn thin skinned wussies....

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Body bags disrupt Canada's flu-readiness message

WINNIPEG, Manitoba (Reuters) - The Canadian government sent body bags to some remote Indian reserves as it prepared for the winter flu season, sending a jarring message at odds with its promise that it's ready for the H1N1 flu.

The body bags went to some reserves in Manitoba, the western province in which some remote Indian communities were hard-hit by the flu in the spring, Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq said on Wednesday.

"It is very disturbing," Aglukkaq told reporters on a conference call. "It's a serious issue and it's very concerning to me."

Aglukkaq said she didn't have details of the body-bag shipments and has ordered officials to investigate.

At least four Manitoba reserves received body bags from Canada's health department in shipments that also included supplies like masks and hand sanitizer, the Winnipeg Free Press said.

"This says to me they've given up," the newspaper quoted Chief David Harper of Northern Manitoba's Garden Hill reserve, which received some of the body bags, as saying.

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Body bags disrupt Canada's flu-readiness message

WINNIPEG, Manitoba (Reuters) - The Canadian government sent body bags to some remote Indian reserves as it prepared for the winter flu season, sending a jarring message at odds with its promise that it's ready for the H1N1 flu.

The body bags went to some reserves in Manitoba, the western province in which some remote Indian communities were hard-hit by the flu in the spring, Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq said on Wednesday.

"It is very disturbing," Aglukkaq told reporters on a conference call. "It's a serious issue and it's very concerning to me."

Aglukkaq said she didn't have details of the body-bag shipments and has ordered officials to investigate.

At least four Manitoba reserves received body bags from Canada's health department in shipments that also included supplies like masks and hand sanitizer, the Winnipeg Free Press said.

"This says to me they've given up," the newspaper quoted Chief David Harper of Northern Manitoba's Garden Hill reserve, which received some of the body bags, as saying.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 4:55 pm 
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What Obama Isn't Saying About Breast Cancer

By Elizabeth Lee Vliet, M.D.

While hundreds of thousands of Americans marched against the government's hijacking of health-care in Washington Saturday, President Obama was in Minnesota promoting his own myopic version of health-care reform.

During his speech, the President referred to a woman in Texas whose undisclosed pre-existing acne precluded her from getting the double mastectomy she so desperately needed. "By the time her insurance was reinstated," Obama said, "her breast cancer had more than doubled in size."

The President's facts were incorrect on the medical reasons for the insurance delay in this situation, as a Wall Street Journal article brought to light, but it was an effective scare tactic. Focusing on a false horror story to scare people, the President completely ignored overwhelming data from published international studies that objectively quantifies the strengths of America's health-care system especially when it comes to the diagnosis and treatment of breast cancer, the second leading cause of cancer death among women.

The President also failed to point out another woman whose story has also had national attention lately: Tracy Walsh, a mother of five who is alive today because of America's sophisticated and rapid-response health-care system. This mother of five was cured of breast cancer less than two months after her diagnosis.

As a women's health specialist, I have many patients like Tracy Walsh who are 10, 20, and 30 year survivors of breast cancer because they had the benefits of the American health care system: early diagnosis, cutting edge treatments, and continued state of the art monitoring for recurrence. None of my patients have even considered going to England, Canada, or Cuba for treatment! I can confidently say that if I were facing breast cancer, the United States is where I would want to be. Studies clearly show that breast cancer survival rates are higher for the earliest stages of cancer.

In the United States, mammograms are typically done annually, and consequently breast cancers are detected earlier. Women in the United Kingdom under the National Health Service guidelines are only allowed a mammogram every 3 years. Britain's death rate from breast cancer is consequently much higher than in the U.S. Nine of 10 middle-aged American women (90%) have had a mammogram, compared to less than 72% of Canadian women. The government saves money with fewer mammograms, but what about women's lives?

My friend who lives in England had the following to say regarding her experience with breast cancer: "We don't start providing mammograms until a woman is 50, and then only every 3 years. Now that I am a [breast cancer] statistic, I am having them every 2 years, but that is still not brilliant â€" a lot can happen in 2 years. Then when they thought I might have cancer spreading to my bowel, I was told it would be 4 or 5 months before I could get the urgent endoscopy and colonoscopy."

Consider this:

* The United States leads the world in treating breast cancer.

* Women with breast cancer have a 14% higher survival rate in the United States than in Europe.

* Five cancers, breast, prostate, thyroid, testicular and melanoma skin cancer have 90% or higher survival rates in the United States. Only ONE cancer testicular has a 90% or better survival rate in Europe. As a small business owner, I'd be the first to admit that American health insurance options need to be reformed to increase availability and affordability. I have limited health insurance options for me and my employees, and the premiums keep going up very year even without many claims.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:27 pm 
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One in six NHS patients 'misdiagnosed'
As many as one in six patients treated in NHS hospitals and GPs’ surgeries is being misdiagnosed, experts have warned.

Doctors were making mistakes in up to 15 per cent of cases because they were too quick to judge patients’ symptoms, they said, while others were reluctant to ask more senior colleagues for help.

While in most cases the misdiagnosis did not result in the patient suffering serious harm, a sizeable number of the millions of NHS patients were likely to suffer significant health problems as a result, according to figures. It was said that the number of misdiagnoses was “just the tip of the iceberg”, with many people still reluctant to report mistakes by their doctors.

There was a call for better reporting methods to ensure that each misdiagnosis was recorded and monitored properly.

Prof Graham Neale, of the Imperial Centre for Patient Safety and Service Quality at Imperial College London, who is carrying out research into cases of misdiagnosis in the NHS, said it was a problem that was not being adequately dealt with.

“There is absolutely no doubt that this is being under-reported,” he said. “But more importantly they are not being adequately analysed.

“Trainee doctors are too quick to judgment, that is one of the problems that we face.”

He added, however, that in many cases, the medical errors were rectified within 48 hours.

The experts drew on research published in the American Journal of Medicine that estimated that up to 15 per cent of all medical cases in developed countries were misdiagnosed.

Earlier this year, the Healthcare Commission found that missed or wrong diagnoses were a major cause of complaints to the NHS. Of more than 9,000 complaints analysed, almost one in 10 related to a delay in diagnosis or the wrong diagnosis being made. Separate research also suggested that one in 10 patients in hospital was harmed because of the care they received.

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 Post subject: Re: Tales of Socalized Health Care
PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:53 pm 
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Canadian "free" "health" "care" - three lies for the price of one!

I suppose I should have been tipped off by the fact that the surgeon who performed my 84-year-old Mom's angioplasty on Friday at Toronto General Hospital couldn't be bothered to check up on her afterward. This same surgeon discharged her Saturday morning from TGH - by phone.

On the following Tuesday afternoon, my Mother suffered a "False Aneurysm" - this, the paramedic explained, is a fairly common side effect that may have been caused by the anti-clotting medication she had been prescribed. However, I read now that "The most common cause of pseudoaneurysm is femoral artery puncture during cardiac catheterisation." Hmmmm, thanks for that follow-up, Doctor.

An angioplasty requires that an incision be made in the groin in order to access the femoral artery via which they transport the stent that keeps a plugged heart artery "open." When Mom's femoral artery opened her thigh and groin swelled with the mass of blood that collected, until it looked like someone had taken a baseball bat to her.

She was scared, in a great deal of pain and very weak by the time she hit TGH's ER at 6:20pm, though the paramedics had stabilized her. The paramedics stayed with her, monitoring her vitals and answering my questions as best they could until well after their shift ended at 7pm. At 8:30 pm, in order to release the paramedics, my mother was officially admitted to TGH. Admission consisted of moving her from the ambulance gurney to a hospital gurney and pushing her 20 yards down the corridor, next to the homeless guy with the festering sores on his legs. The attentive care of the paramedics was replaced by ... nothing.

We waited nearly an hour for a resident to finally stop by and enquire what the matter was. She had no prior knowledge of why my mother had been admitted. To my shock she asked, in all seriousness, if the angioplasty had been a success. Sensing my anger she summoned a doctor and nurse. The doctor ordered a physical examination and as there was no room available, the nurse informed us Mom would be examined in the corridor though an unused eye examination room sat empty next to us . As the nurse made no effort to help, I took it upon myself to undress my bedridden mother in full view of the passing parade of visitors, patients and staff. Meanwhile, a street person dumped a filled adult diaper on the floor and replaced her own soiled bed linens in the ward next to us.

They ordered an ultrasound and informed us that a vascular surgeon would be called in. The ultrasound technician showed up earlier than anticipated, and mom had her pictures done shortly before 11 pm. This procedure afforded Mom some privacy, as WHIMSICALLY, they chose to conduct it in the STILL unused eye examination room off the corridor this time. The nurse made her second appearance, sticking her head in to enquire "who left her like this?" - mom was in a partial state of undress, uncomfortably positioned and without the recommended bags of saline solution in place to compress the swelling. I replied that the Ultrasound technician had just left, having finished her session. The nurse left without assisting and five minutes later clocked out to end her shift.

The Bitch Nurse turned up next. Her primary role as caregiver seems to involve chatting with other staff when not complaining to patients that the "real nurse" hadn't showed up for her shift. My mother is a stoic, with a woman's superior capacity to handle pain. I have never seen her nor anyone else for that matter cry out when giving blood, until now. Perhaps the Bitch Nurse might have reconsidered her site selection had she been in a better mood and not chosen last week's inflamed entry point. Mom was then unceremoniously dumped back in the corridor.

Around midnight, the vascular surgeon arrived and confirmed that a false aneurysm had occurred. Two possible courses of action were explained. Surgery to repair the artery, or a non-invasive, less risky alternative called a Thrombin Injection. During this procedure, the site is frozen locally and the "Thrombin" is injected to form a clot in the femoral artery. The course of action would be determined after a consult with Cardiology.


As 2 a.m. neared, we still had no word from Cardiology.At that point the vascular surgeon and her boss elected to determine a course of action after a second look when the lab opened at 8a.m.

I arrived home at 3 am, guiltily having left my Mom to fend for herself in the hospital corridor as without at least a couple of hours rest, I would be useless to her the next day. Besides, it was infuriating and depressing watching staff walk by pretending to acknowledge patient requests, including those of my mother and myself, only to have them ignored. I asked the vascular surgeon at one point to please have a look at my mother as she had begun to complain of increased pain and swelling. However, she was left to fend for herself.

The Thrombin Injection was indeed conducted shortly after the lab was opened at 8 am, just as the vascular surgeon had promised, and was deemed a success by the Chief Surgeon. We were informed that pending a quick final approval from ER, Mom would be released to my care. She was wheeled back to her "room" in the corridor by 9 am. Noon arrived and despite our numerous supplications - still no release. ER informed us that they were waiting for final approval from Vascular, who after many pages informed ER that final approval depended on word from Cardiology. I informed the nurse that keeping an ill, 84-year old woman in a hospital corridor for 18 hours was not the type of care that anyone should be expected to tolerate. In fact my cat receives better treatment from his vet. It worked: we were released by 1 pm. No word on whether Cardiology ever bothered to return a call.

Very early in the AM, I stumbled upon the ER's "Continuous Improvement Whiteboard."

I wrote: Continuous Improvement? This is a cruel joke.

I was pleased to hear a staffer complain to another shortly before we were liberated: "Whoever wrote that did it in permanent ink." "

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Just out of curiosity, what percentage do these horror stories make up and how does it compare to the U.S.? My back surgeon told me he removed my bone growth stimulator during an outpatient procedure. I went for a decond opinion a couple of months later and guess what showed up on my new x-ray? A bone growth stimulator!!

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U.K. Cancer Death Rate Is 38% Higher Than In U.S.


As the Congress prepared to vote to let us enter the world of waits for doctors, waits for specialists, waits for testing and waits for surgery, radiation and chemo, we should pause to consider the relative records of the private medical care system in the United States with the socialized system in the U.K.

In 2008, Britain had a cancer death rate 0.25% while the United States had a rate of only 0.18%. The UK cancer death rate was 38% higher than in the United States.

The Guardian, the UK’s left wing daily, estimated that “up to 10,000 people” are dying each year of cancer “because their condition is diagnosed too late, according to research by the government’s director of cancer services.” While many people die because of late detection due to their own negligence, there is no reason to believe this self-neglect is more common in the UK than in the US.

In Canada, the cancer death rate is 16% higher than in the United States.

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UK HEALTHCARE: Neglected by 'lazy' nurses, man, 22, dying of thirst rang the police to beg for water

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:39 pm 
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and WE GET 111 BRAND NEW BUREAUCRACIES AND HORDES OF ACORN PARASITES TO DO THIS!!!

and that pos in the WH believes it's an improvement.

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Good one Sarah.
Not only does her grandson get evil socialist, government run healthcare, turns out the whole fricken' family did too...Too Funny:
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Palin speaking in Calgary, Canada
In November of 2009, Sarah Palin — who is always suggesting that health care reform will lead to socialism — insisted that Canada needs to reform its health care system to “let the private sector take over.” But this past Saturday in Calgary, Canada — at “her first Canadian appearance since stepping down as governor of Alaska last summer” — Palin seemed to deviate from her fear of socialized Canadian medicine when she revealed that her family may have benefited from the Canadian system:

PALIN: We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada. And I think now, isn’t that ironic?

This isn’t the first time Palin highlighted the difficulty of obtaining affordable health care in America. During the presidential campaign, Palin discussed how she and her husband Todd had “gone though periods of our life here with paying out-of-pocket for health coverage until Todd and I both landed a couple of good union jobs.” At the vice presidential debate, Palin recalled times in her marriage “in our past where we didn’t have health insurance and we know what other Americans are going through as they sit around the kitchen table and try to figure out how are they going to pay out-of-pocket for health care?”

Palin’s experience also highlights the fact that American medical-tourism to Canada is common, despite conservatives’ claims that Canada’s health care system drives Canadians into the states. “Every year, thousands of Americans undergo surgery in other countries” where they can receive the same care “at half the price.” “In 2007, an estimated 750,000 Americans traveled abroad for medical care; this number is anticipated to increase to six million by 2010″ — far outpacing the number of Canadians coming into the United States for medical treatment. It’s good to know that Palin was once one of them.


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getting gub'mint assistance to cover while you get back on your feet....what a concept!

sounds like the Pailns utilized the system to get some temporary help.... exactly how it was intended to work

unlike the 3rd, 4th, 5th generation parasites who complain about their living conditions not being like the Palins current home....

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Ah yes, so the Palins were parasites & their grandson still is a parasite despite the fact that they're millionaires....pricleless

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Idiot540 wrote:
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City Journal ^ | Summer, 2007 | David Gratzer, M.D.

Posted on Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:59:47 PM by T.L.Sink

Swinging open the door, I stepped into a nightmare: the ER overflowed with elderly people on stretchers, waiting for admission. Some, it turned out, had waited FIVE days. The air stank with sweat and urine. Right then, I began to reconsider everything I thought I knew about Canadian health care. I soon discovered the problems went well beyond overcrowded ERs. Patients had to wait for practically any diagnostic test or procedure, such as the man with persistent pain from a hernia operation whom we referred to a pain clinic - with a THREE YEAR wait list; or the woman needing a sleep study to diagnose what seemed like sleep apnea, who faced a TWO YEAR delay; or the woman with breast cancer who needed to wait four months for radiation therapy, when the standard of care was four weeks. At a time when Canada's population was aging and needed more care, not less, cost-crunching bureaucrats had reduced the size of medical school classes, closed hospitals, and capped physician's fees, resulting in hundreds of thousands of patients waiting for needed treatment - patients who suffered and, in some cases, died from delay. Nor were the problems I identified unique to Canada - they characterized ALL government-run health systems. Consider the recent British controversy over a cancer patient who tried to get an appointment with a specialist, only to have it cancelled - 48 times! More than 1 million Britons must wait for care, with 200,000 in line for longer than SIX MONTHS.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2294372/posts

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Ah yes, so the Palins were parasites


she was 5 years old for cryin out loud...

is this the piddly ass bullshit you've reduced yourself to? are you serious?

not only that but you try finding a private practitioner in a land that has a population of one person per square mile.

....you're just babbling on what your masters tell you to...

you're an idiot....a useful idiot.

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