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 Post subject: Re: Obamacareâ„¢ Support Falls To New Lows
PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:07 am 
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When we calculated ours, for a family of 4 for the silver plan, was MORE than our yearly income, before subsidies. AFTER subsidies, it was 2/3 of our income. There is no way we are signing up for commiecare.

Sounds like you're eligible for medicaid....oh wait, too bad your governor refused it.
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How disappointing that the Pence administration has not agreed to Medicaid expansion for low-income working Hoosiers as part of the Affordable Care Act. Not only will Indiana's nearly 400,000 working poor be denied access to managed care, but Indiana will lose $10.45 billion in federal money that would have created 30,000 new jobs, generated between $2.4 million and $3.4 million in economic development, and added $108 million in state and local taxes.

http://www.indystar.com/article/2013091 ... 309140011/


NO. We ARE NOT eligible for medicaid.


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 Post subject: Re: Obamacareâ„¢ Support Falls To New Lows
PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:11 pm 
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More than 10X the amount of people who have actually enrolled (approx 40,000) have been kicked off (almost 500,000) their existing insurance due to Obummercare through the first three weeks - Now that's some serious change you can believe in!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Obamacareâ„¢ Support Falls To New Lows
PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:18 pm 
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Does anyone else find it ironic, that the government "shutdown" blamed on the republicans because they wanted to delay/defund Obummercare as they predicted it would be a train wreck, now find themselves vindicated by a growing body of the left telling the obummer in chief to delay its implementation?????

Who woulda thunk???

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 Post subject: Re: Obamacareâ„¢ Support Falls To New Lows
PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:53 am 
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When we calculated ours, for a family of 4 for the silver plan, was MORE than our yearly income, before subsidies. AFTER subsidies, it was 2/3 of our income. There is no way we are signing up for commiecare.

Well let's see, Plan (HMO): Anthem Silver DirectAccess for family, age 50 is $891.06 per month.
$891.06 X12 = $10, 692.72
http://www.legalconsumer.com/obamacare/ ... FIPS=18089

So let me get this straight, you're telling me that $10,692.72 is 2/3 of your yearly income?

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 Post subject: Re: Obamacareâ„¢ Support Falls To New Lows
PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:59 pm 
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edge540 wrote:
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When we calculated ours, for a family of 4 for the silver plan, was MORE than our yearly income, before subsidies. AFTER subsidies, it was 2/3 of our income. There is no way we are signing up for commiecare.

Well let's see, Plan (HMO): Anthem Silver DirectAccess for family, age 50 is $891.06 per month.
$891.06 X12 = $10, 692.72
http://www.legalconsumer.com/obamacare/ ... FIPS=18089

So let me get this straight, you're telling me that $10,692.72 is 2/3 of your yearly income?


Try ages 61,60,32, and 19. See what the cost is. It is more than our yearly income BEFORE a subsidy. It IS 2/3 of our yearly income AFTER the subsidy.


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 Post subject: Re: Obamacareâ„¢ Support Falls To New Lows
PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:22 am 
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Tiger1 wrote:
edge540 wrote:
Tiger1 wrote:
When we calculated ours, for a family of 4 for the silver plan, was MORE than our yearly income, before subsidies. AFTER subsidies, it was 2/3 of our income. There is no way we are signing up for commiecare.

Well let's see, Plan (HMO): Anthem Silver DirectAccess for family, age 50 is $891.06 per month.
$891.06 X12 = $10, 692.72
http://www.legalconsumer.com/obamacare/ ... FIPS=18089

So let me get this straight, you're telling me that $10,692.72 is 2/3 of your yearly income?


Try ages 61,60,32, and 19. See what the cost is. It is more than our yearly income BEFORE a subsidy. It IS 2/3 of our yearly income AFTER the subsidy.

It's about the same. There are 4 plans raging from $853.34 to $926.14.

So how much are you paying now...or don't you have insurance?

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 Post subject: Re: Obamacareâ„¢ Support Falls To New Lows
PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:33 am 
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Try ages 61,60,32, and 19. See what the cost is. It is more than our yearly income BEFORE a subsidy. It IS 2/3 of our yearly income AFTER the subsidy.[/quote]
It's about the same. There are 4 plans raging from $853.34 to $926.14.

So how much are you paying now...or don't you have insurance?[/quote]

It is a LOT more because of our ages. We cancelled the insurance. We could not afford it.


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 Post subject: Re: Obamacareâ„¢ Support Falls To New Lows
PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:11 pm 
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Ten Dem Senators Break Ranks, Send Letter To Obama Admin Asking For Delay In Obamacare Mandate Deadline
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(Washington, DC) – As Americans continue to experience technical difficulties with federal and state health insurance enrollment, a coalition of U.S. Senators led by Senator Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH) is calling on Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to extend the open enrollment period to give Americans more time to obtain health insurance coverage.

“As long as these substantial technology glitches persist, we are losing valuable time to educate and enroll people in insurance plans,” read the letter signed by Shaheen along with U.S. Sens. Mark Begich (D-AK), Mark Pryor (D-AR), Mary Landrieu (D-LA), Kay Hagan (D-NC), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Mark Udall (D-CO), Tom Udall (D-NM), Michael Bennet (D-CO), and Martin Heinrich (D-NM). “Our constituents are frustrated, and we fear that the longer the website is not functional, opportunities for people to log on, learn about their insurance choices, and enroll will be lost.”

The letter sent today reiterates Shaheen’s earlier call to extend open enrollment if the technological glitches persist with healthcare.gov. An extended open enrollment deadline “will give consumers critical time in which to become familiar with the website and choose a plan that is best for them,” the Senators said.

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 Post subject: Re: Obamacareâ„¢ Support Falls To New Lows
PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:17 pm 
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Tiger1 wrote:
It is a LOT more because of our ages. We cancelled the insurance. We could not afford it.

Yeah, that's what I thought.
So you're one the 400,000 working poor in Indiana that does not have health insurance thanks to the jackass that you voted for, Mike Pence.
http://useconomy.about.com/od/healthcar ... lained.htm
Too bad you don't live in Kentucky or one of the other states where medicaid was expanded for people exactly like you.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/0 ... care-foes#

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/20/us/po ... .html?_r=0

You're the PERFECT example of conservative morons voting republican, against their own best interests.
Next time you or one of your family members go to the ER don't forget that I'm paying your bill (people that have insurance) and it's why my premium is $1,000 more than it should be.

And be sure to thank Mike Pence for not having health insurance.

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 Post subject: Re: Obamacareâ„¢ Support Falls To New Lows
PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:08 pm 
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Quit being so selfish. You live is St. John and have more money than you need. The taxpayers of Lake County are paying your wife to hold down a chair for the School City of Hammond. What's $1,000 to a swell like yourself?


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 Post subject: Re: Obamacareâ„¢ Support Falls To New Lows
PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:44 pm 
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edge540 wrote:
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It is a LOT more because of our ages. We cancelled the insurance. We could not afford it.

Yeah, that's what I thought.
So you're one the 400,000 working poor in Indiana that does not have health insurance thanks to the jackass that you voted for, Mike Pence.
http://useconomy.about.com/od/healthcar ... lained.htm
Too bad you don't live in Kentucky or one of the other states where medicaid was expanded for people exactly like you.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/0 ... care-foes#

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/20/us/po ... .html?_r=0

You're the PERFECT example of conservative morons voting republican, against their own best interests.
Next time you or one of your family members go to the ER don't forget that I'm paying your bill (people that have insurance) and it's why my premium is $1,000 more than it should be.

And be sure to thank Mike Pence for not having health insurance.




You are WRONG AGAIN. We do not qualify because of our assets. Multiple cars, even old ones like we have, and cemetery lots, like we have, put us over the asset limit, even IF Indiana would expand medicaid. The asset limit, BTW, is $1,500 for 1 person, and $2,500 for a couple/family.
BTW, you are WRONG AGAIN. We are self-pay for our medical. No one pays the medical bills, but us. No government, no charity, just us.
FTR, thank your commie-in-chief for your increase in your insurance.


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 Post subject: Re: Obamacareâ„¢ Support Falls To New Lows
PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:10 pm 
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FTR, thank your commie-in-chief for your increase in your insurance.

Seconded!

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 Post subject: Re: Obamacareâ„¢ Support Falls To New Lows
PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:52 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Obamacareâ„¢ Support Falls To New Lows
PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:59 am 
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Tiger1 wrote:
FTR, thank your commie-in-chief for your increase in your insurance.

Nope, it's you and the jackasses you vote for.
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Report: Uninsured Cost Families Extra $1K

The average family with health insurance shells out an extra $1,000 a year in premiums to pay for health care for the uninsured, a new report finds.

And the average individual with private coverage pays an extra $370 a year because of the cost-shifting, which happens when someone without medical insurance gets care at an emergency room or elsewhere and then doesn't pay.

The report was being released Thursday by advocacy group Families USA, which said the findings - which it calls a "hidden tax" - support its goal of extending coverage to all the 50 million Americans who are now uninsured. Congress and the Obama administration are working on a plan to do that.

Families USA contracted with independent actuarial consulting firm Milliman Inc. to analyze federal data to produce the findings.

"As more people join the ranks of the uninsured, the hidden health tax is growing," said Ron Pollack, Families USA executive director. "That tax hits America's businesses and insured families hard in the pocketbook, and they therefore have a clear financial stake in expanding health care coverage."

The report found that, in 2008, uninsured people received $116 billion in health care from hospitals, doctors and other providers. The uninsured paid 37 percent of that amount out of their own pockets, and government programs and charities covered another 26 percent.

That left about $43 billion unpaid, and that sum made its way into premiums charged by private insurance companies to businesses and individuals, the report said.

The major government insurance programs - Medicare for the elderly and Medicaid for the poor - are structured in a way that doesn't easily allow payments to insurers to adjust upward. And somebody has to pay.

Ronald A. Williams, chairman and chief executive of Aetna Inc., gave the example of a local community hospital that provides care to someone without insurance who arrives at the emergency room. When it's not paid for, the hospital has to raise its rates to insurance companies, and they pass that on in higher premiums, Williams said.

"Our members then say, 'Well, why is health insurance so expensive?"' Williams said in an interview. "And the answer is because you're paying for your own care as well as for the care of some of the uninsured in the community."

Aetna was not involved in writing or funding the report but Williams planned to appear at a news conference Thursday with Families USA officials to release its findings.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-204_162-5045280.html

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edge540 wrote:
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FTR, thank your commie-in-chief for your increase in your insurance.

Nope, it's you and the jackasses you vote for.
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Report: Uninsured Cost Families Extra $1K

The average family with health insurance shells out an extra $1,000 a year in premiums to pay for health care for the uninsured, a new report finds.

And the average individual with private coverage pays an extra $370 a year because of the cost-shifting, which happens when someone without medical insurance gets care at an emergency room or elsewhere and then doesn't pay.

The report was being released Thursday by advocacy group Families USA, which said the findings - which it calls a "hidden tax" - support its goal of extending coverage to all the 50 million Americans who are now uninsured. Congress and the Obama administration are working on a plan to do that.

Families USA contracted with independent actuarial consulting firm Milliman Inc. to analyze federal data to produce the findings.

"As more people join the ranks of the uninsured, the hidden health tax is growing," said Ron Pollack, Families USA executive director. "That tax hits America's businesses and insured families hard in the pocketbook, and they therefore have a clear financial stake in expanding health care coverage."

The report found that, in 2008, uninsured people received $116 billion in health care from hospitals, doctors and other providers. The uninsured paid 37 percent of that amount out of their own pockets, and government programs and charities covered another 26 percent.

That left about $43 billion unpaid, and that sum made its way into premiums charged by private insurance companies to businesses and individuals, the report said.

The major government insurance programs - Medicare for the elderly and Medicaid for the poor - are structured in a way that doesn't easily allow payments to insurers to adjust upward. And somebody has to pay.

Ronald A. Williams, chairman and chief executive of Aetna Inc., gave the example of a local community hospital that provides care to someone without insurance who arrives at the emergency room. When it's not paid for, the hospital has to raise its rates to insurance companies, and they pass that on in higher premiums, Williams said.

"Our members then say, 'Well, why is health insurance so expensive?"' Williams said in an interview. "And the answer is because you're paying for your own care as well as for the care of some of the uninsured in the community."

Aetna was not involved in writing or funding the report but Williams planned to appear at a news conference Thursday with Families USA officials to release its findings.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-204_162-5045280.html



No, you are WRONG AGAIN. Your premiums have nothing to do with people like us who PAY ALL OF OUR MEDICAL BILLS. The jackass YOU voted for has stuck you with the bill for all the illegals he is letting stream through the border. THAT is your extra $1,000 for your premiums.
IF you really read what you POSTED, it says that the premiums are higher because you have to cover people who DO NOT PAY their medical bills.


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