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 Post subject: Re: Klein Under Investigation by FBI for Plasmatronics Loan
PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:02 pm 
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cheerleader wrote:
Uran, Klein and Pabey are all cut from the same cloth.


Let's not forget to add Gayle Van Sessen and Allan Katz to that list.


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 Post subject: Re: Klein Under Investigation by FBI for Plasmatronics Loan
PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 10:52 am 
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bella wrote:
cheerleader wrote:
Uran, Klein and Pabey are all cut from the same cloth.


Let's not forget to add Gayle Van Sessen and Allan Katz to that list.

Gee sock puppet, I seem to remember Gayle Van Sessen running against that lot.

Although Dan Klien did such a piss poor job as Mayor that I will actually vote for a democrat so that he does NOT become my state rep.

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 Post subject: Re: Klein Under Investigation by FBI for Plasmatronics Loan
PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 1:28 pm 
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Hey Arc:

Klien was a buffoon. I share your sentiments regarding his quest for state rep.

I do like Uran and think its absurd to lump Uran, Klein and Pabey together.

The real sock puppets are the clowns who try to connect Plasmatronics, Klein and Pabey with Uran to further their own political agenda.

That is the point of my post.


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 Post subject: Re: Klein Under Investigation by FBI for Plasmatronics Loan
PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 2:39 pm 
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Uran has spent over $250,000 for legal fees on the Plasmatronics lawsuit, virtually all to attorneys who contribute to Uran’s campaign fund. For this $250,000, it appears that the city will recover $10,000 = $3,000 from Plasmatronics and a $7,000 settlement from Moress LLC who owns the building Plasmatronics leased and benefited slightly from the buildout.

Uran's Plasmatronics law suit is not about recovering money for Crown Point. It is about running up legal fees for the lawyers and the Uran warchest. Uran's lawsuit against Plasmatronics is pure East Chicago – style corruption. The city loses but Uran and his administration make out like bandits. And the meter on Uran's lawsuit against Plasmatronics is still running.


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 Post subject: Re: Klein Under Investigation by FBI for Plasmatronics Loan
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cheerleader wrote:
Uran's Plasmatronics law suit is not about recovering money for Crown Point. It is about running up legal fees for the lawyers and the Uran warchest.


:roll: That's quite a stretch.

The Plasmatronics fiasco was created before Uran took office. Uran's job is to clean up the mess. Trying to link Uran with Plasmatronics is dishonest.

Allan please do tell how you would have cleaned up the Plasmatronics mess had you been in Uran's shoes. And don't pretend that you would of known the outcome of any suit against Plastmatronics from the onset.


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 Post subject: Re: Klein Under Investigation by FBI for Plasmatronics Loan
PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 4:09 pm 
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I can't speak for cheerleader. It is well known that the Plasmatronics loan was made before Uran took office, but Uran has milked the Plasmatronics default of April, 2008 for over $250,000 in legal fees paid by the city of Crown Point to lawyers who contribute to Uran's warchest.

The Uran administration visited the Plasmatronics building in April 2008 when Plasmatronics left Crown Point. They saw that there was minimal buildout to the Plasmatronics building. In December, 2008 the Uran administration filed a sworn complaint against Moress claiming that $235,000 was spent on the buildout - although they knew at that time there was minimal buildout and the $235,000 was in reality gone - possibly skimmed, possibly stolen.

At that point, they should have turned the matter over to the criminal authorities.


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 Post subject: Re: Klein Under Investigation by FBI for Plasmatronics Loan
PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 7:42 pm 
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http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/lake/article_53a6cf3c-d772-5918-b4ab-83e40531c79a.html

According to the times article above: "Uran received $36,900 in contributions from individuals, including a large number of city department employees and several downstate professionals downstate, including five Ice Miller attorneys who gave a combined $1,500. The Indianapolis law firm represented the city in a variety of issues, including the bid to recoup a development loan made to New York-based Plasmatronics."

Your going to have me believe that the city spent $250,000 in legal fees just because Uran received $1,500 for his "war chest".

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 Post subject: Re: Klein Under Investigation by FBI for Plasmatronics Loan
PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 8:14 pm 
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East Chicago corruption is more sophisticated than simple quid-pro-quos.


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 Post subject: Re: Klein Under Investigation by FBI for Plasmatronics Loan
PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 8:59 pm 
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CPWatcher wrote:
East Chicago corruption is more sophisticated than simple quid-pro-quos.


And this character assassination is based on what?


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 Post subject: Re: Klein Under Investigation by FBI for Plasmatronics Loan
PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:38 am 
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bella wrote:
CPWatcher wrote:
East Chicago corruption is more sophisticated than simple quid-pro-quos.


And this character assassination is based on what?


1. The fact that Uran has shoveled $250,000 out the Crown Point door in legal fees to Uran's legal team to recover $10,000.

2 The fact that Uran did not bring in criminal authorities despite strong evidence that most of the money loaned to Plasmatronics was gone. According to the loan documents, the loan was supposed to be used to purchase collateral - but there is no collateral and the Uran administration knows this.

3 The fact that the FBI indicated that Dave Nicholls, Uran's Crown Point city attorney, who is managing the Plasmatronics lawsuit was known as a bag man for the East Chicago Pastrick administration.

4. The fact that there have been numerous examples in recent years of sophisticated East Chicago political corruption involving George Pabey, the Pastrick Administration, the Sidewalk Six, Frankie Kolintzas, and Bobby Cantrell where money was filched through sophisticated schemes.

5. The fact that the $380,000 loaned to Plasmatronics is gone. The $250,000+ in legal fees are gone and the meter is still running. The city, to date, is likely to recover $10,000.

6. The fact that the Uran Administration seems dedicated more to covering up the Plasmatronics debacle than getting the city's money back. City attorney Nicholls is dissolving the Crown Point Development Corp so that there are no Board members who are likely to ask the tough questions that need to be asked - Like: A) What happened to all the money? B) Why hasn't the city called for a criminal investigation? C) Where is Eric Hammond (who signed the checks to Plasmatronics)? D) Why does Crown Point continue to pay additional legal fees for the Plasmatronics case to Dave Nicholls when the case seems to have been badly botched? E) Has there been legal malpractice by Uran's lawyers? F) What happened to the expensive Sheepscott 9450 Resin Dispensing machine that was purchased by Plasmatronics and shipped on October 16, 2007 and could be collateral - but has vanished, etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Klein Under Investigation by FBI for Plasmatronics Loan
PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:33 pm 
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CPWatcher wrote:
bella wrote:
CPWatcher wrote:
East Chicago corruption is more sophisticated than simple quid-pro-quos.


And this character assassination is based on what?


1. The fact that Uran has shoveled $250,000 out the Crown Point door in legal fees to Uran's legal team to recover $10,000.

2 The fact that Uran did not bring in criminal authorities despite strong evidence that most of the money loaned to Plasmatronics was gone. According to the loan documents, the loan was supposed to be used to purchase collateral - but there is no collateral and the Uran administration knows this.

3 The fact that the FBI indicated that Dave Nicholls, Uran's Crown Point city attorney, who is managing the Plasmatronics lawsuit was known as a bag man for the East Chicago Pastrick administration.

4. The fact that there have been numerous examples in recent years of sophisticated East Chicago political corruption involving George Pabey, the Pastrick Administration, the Sidewalk Six, Frankie Kolintzas, and Bobby Cantrell where money was filched through sophisticated schemes.

5. The fact that the $380,000 loaned to Plasmatronics is gone. The $250,000+ in legal fees are gone and the meter is still running. The city, to date, is likely to recover $10,000.

6. The fact that the Uran Administration seems dedicated more to covering up the Plasmatronics debacle than getting the city's money back. City attorney Nicholls is dissolving the Crown Point Development Corp so that there are no Board members who are likely to ask the tough questions that need to be asked - Like: A) What happened to all the money? B) Why hasn't the city called for a criminal investigation? C) Where is Eric Hammond (who signed the checks to Plasmatronics)? D) Why does Crown Point continue to pay additional legal fees for the Plasmatronics case to Dave Nicholls when the case seems to have been badly botched? E) Has there been legal malpractice by Uran's lawyers? F) What happened to the expensive Sheepscott 9450 Resin Dispensing machine that was purchased by Plasmatronics and shipped on October 16, 2007 and could be collateral - but has vanished, etc.


Points well made CPWatcher.

There is little difference in business practices between Plasmatronics, the Uran Administration and the Klein Administration. They all scheme to profit by screwing over the Crown Point traxpayers.


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 Post subject: Re: Klein Under Investigation by FBI for Plasmatronics Loan
PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 4:53 pm 
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Hey Arc:

Klien was a buffoon. I share your sentiments regarding his quest for state rep.

I do like Uran and think its absurd to lump Uran, Klein and Pabey together.

The real sock puppets are the clowns who try to connect Plasmatronics, Klein and Pabey with Uran to further their own political agenda.

That is the point of my post.


I agree that Uran should not be lumped in with this. This is a Klein deal, simple as that! Uran was forced to go after this company by the taxpayers, unfortunately it's the system that is broke and it does cost $$ to hire lawyers to do these things. Klein and his people are 100% responsible for this dirty deal, it's that simple! Now look around Crown Point at all the stupid people with Dan Klein signs in their yards, no wonder this country is f'd.


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 Post subject: Re: Klein Under Investigation by FBI for Plasmatronics Loan
PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 12:15 pm 
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The KIein and Uran administrations are equally corrupt.

Uran has spent $250,000 to $300,000 on the Plasmatronics lawsuit to recover $10,000. Virtually all lawyers/law firms working on the case contribute to Uran's warchest. Uran has known for almost two years that the money was gone but has not brought in criminal authorities. That is corruption.

Shelli VanDenburgh has recently shown that Dan Klein's warchest received contributions from Brogan Pharmaceuticals and also from Brogan's CEO Brett Dines shortly after Brogan received $500,000 from the city.

There is enough stench to discredit Uran, Klein and Plasmatronics.


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 Post subject: Re: Klein Under Investigation by FBI for Plasmatronics Loan
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CPWatcher wrote:
The KIein and Uran administrations are equally corrupt.

Uran has spent $250,000 to $300,000 on the Plasmatronics lawsuit to recover $10,000. Virtually all lawyers/law firms working on the case contribute to Uran's warchest. Uran has known for almost two years that the money was gone but has not brought in criminal authorities. That is corruption.

Shelli VanDenburgh has recently shown that Dan Klein's warchest received contributions from Brogan Pharmaceuticals and also from Brogan's CEO Brett Dines shortly after Brogan received $500,000 from the city.

There is enough stench to discredit Uran, Klein and Plasmatronics.

wow! if that's true then klein's toast. better start sizing him up for a bright orange jumpsuit. cantrell is keeping his cell warm and cozy for danny boy.


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