-={ARCLIGHT}=- wrote:
If anyone has failed to notice chuckmo and UNedgeUKATED, who haven't an original thought in their heads have abandoned trying to defend Barry's lurch toward tyranny.
Wrong again, moron.
I really
don't have to defend Barry, he handed Mitt Romney his ass in November and that is why I don't waste time with idiot mouth breathing trolls like you.
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New Poll Says American Public is Fine With NSA Surveillance Mon Jun. 10, 2013
Pew is out with the first poll asking the public what it thinks of the NSA phone record surveillance program. Unsurprisingly, the public thinks it's just peachy, by a margin of 56-41. What is surprising, though, is the epic size of the change in partisan attitudes since 2006. Back then, Republicans approved of the (recently revealed) NSA program by 38 points more than Democrats. Now, Republicans disapprove by 12 points more than Democrats.
This isn't the last word on the subject. The wording of the question is different this year compared to 2006, and that might account for a bit of the difference. But probably not much. Basically, when Bush was president, Republicans thought that monitoring telephone traffic was a great idea. Now, when Obama is president, they're not so sure—but Democrats think it's fine and dandy. This is about as remarkable a turnaround as I've seen on any subject in recent years.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2 ... rveillance From another forum:Quote:
No one with a brain was surprised by the supposed breaking news that the government mines telephone metadata. It's been going on for at least since the 1980s, when computers started getting powerful enough to do it. Listening to calls requires a warrant, but simply recording which numbers called which numbers has never required a warrant. If someone thinks that's a scandal, they are either remarkably naive or remarkably partisan. If they decided doing it was a scandal only after President Obama took office, then those would be the dishonest partisans.
Now, FISA courts should be more open, and have more civilian oversight. There's a potential for abuse. However, there's no evidence of any actual abuse, despite the fevered fantasies of the conservatives who believe President Obama is personally listening in on their 1-900-HOOTERS calls. And there are questions of how cozy big telecoms should be with government. However, metadata mining is necessary, and it's not going away, so the goal is to keep it supervised, instead of wailing about how scandalous it is.
Obama has continued Bush's violation of civil rights at the misguided claim of homeland security, he has then upped the ante and taken them to new heights.
Drone strikes against US citizens? Check .... Illegal surveillance of the press? Check .... Illegal searches of US Citizens communications? Check .....
Every administration for the last 20 years has been complicit in reducing our freedoms and that includes both parties in Congress and the US Supreme Court. All of which should be arrested and tried for treason.
Yes, there has been the belief that communications have been hacked but now there is the undeniable truth staring us in the face. That is guilt, regardless of how long it has been done. There is no defense of the act regardless of which party has authorized it.
The Patriot Act has gutted the constitution and both parties fall over each other in their one act of bipartisanship. Oh the irony of it .......